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Missing Persons Report.

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Date: May 31, 1965.

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Prepared by Honjo Police Station.

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Number: 66 for 1965.

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Missing: Tadashi Oshima.

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Born January 2, 1935. Age: 32.

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Sex: male. Nationality: Japanese.

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Date reported missing: April 20, 1965.

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Occupation: salesman.

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Address: Ebisuhama, Naoetsu, Niigata.

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Height: 160 cm, medium build.

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Squareish face with heavy eyebrows.

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Short, slightly curly hair.

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No glasses, irregular teeth.

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On April 12, 1963, he went on a business trip.

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He was due back on April 18.

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But leaving his things in the company dormitory,

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he disappeared, motive and cause unknown.

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Japan has so many people.

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Where can anyone missing be

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in such a small country?

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Could there be invisible holes

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in which they're hiding?

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The thought puzzles me.

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As his boss, can you imagine why he vanished?

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Not at all.

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But it may be because

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he embezzled money from us.

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When?

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2 years before he ran away.

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That's 4 years ago?

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How much?　-Altogether about 400,000 yen.

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What did you do?　-We recouped it.

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From his wages and bonuses.

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Is money involved this time?

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He might've stolen 60 or 70 thousand yen

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before he disappeared.

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We'd dated only a few times.

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So I may have known only his good side.

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You were his boss for 15 years.

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What's your opinion of him?

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We'd been friends since our student days.

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He wasn't smart enough to show only his good side.

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He was timid and gentle.

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He may have changed when drunk.

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I'm not sure about it, though.

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Why didn't he tell you either?

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Indeed.

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I was like a mother to him.

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He stayed with my family since my son was born.

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In short, he grew up at my home.

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I thought I knew him well.

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It seems I was wrong.

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As his go-between,

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what do you think?

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He withdrew his savings without telling Yoshie.

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He did something and ran out of money.

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He knew Yoshie would scold him.

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And because he was timid,

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he got scared and disappeared.

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How did you arrange their engagement?

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When I was hospitalized,

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my daughter Sumiko happened to meet

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Yoshie and her sister

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in my room.

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While talking with her,

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I saw she was a good and proper woman.

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So I introduced her to Oshima soon after.

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Yoshie was working in Kawasaki then, right?

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Yes. She was there.

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When did your brother work with Yoshie?

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Until 1955.

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When did she resign?

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In October, 1955.

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About his disappearance,

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I guess embezzling gave him
a strong sense of guilt.

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Did he mention anything about it?

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No. He never said a word.

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But evidently he hadn't forgotten about it.

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He paid back the money.

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But the fact he stole from his company

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was a great burden for him, I guess.

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What about your sister's film appearance?

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Yoshie has lots of problems.

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But if appearing in a film helps her

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to take a definite position concerning Oshima,
then good.

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So I agreed.

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The film may help her?　-Yes.

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(NAOETSU, NIIGATA PREFECTURE)

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He's been missing for a year and a half.

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I guess you have complicated feelings

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while looking for him. How do you feel?

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You quit the hospital?

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When I got the job there,
I didn't tell them he was missing.

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So questions about him really annoyed me.

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So, when you came, I was...

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Embarrassed?

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I've been trying to forget about him.

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I asked the police for help.

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But it didn't work,

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no matter how hard I tried.

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I felt like I was struggling

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in a deep hole.

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If I knew why he disappeared,

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I might feel better.

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That's what I think.

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If you knew the cause?

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Do you still love him?

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I do.

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The fact I can't forget him

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means I still love him, I suppose.

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A Man Vanishes

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Oshima ancestors,

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please tell me where Tadashi is.

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I implore you.

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(A film)
(by Japan Art Theater Guild Nihon Eiga Shinsha)

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(Imamura Production)

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(Photographed)
(by Kenji Ishiguro Music by Toshiro Mayuzumi)

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(Directed by Shohei Imamura)
(with the cooperation of Kirio Urayama)

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(With: SHIGERU TSUYUGUCHI)

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(YOSHIE HAYAKAWA)

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I told him to go home.

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He said, "Not under the circumstances."

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I said we're all worried about you.

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But it didn't work.

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Repeating it didn't help.

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One of your relatives,
a woman who suffered and died...

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Her soul isn't saved yet.

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You're possessed by her.

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Don't you remember such a relative?

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Where is he? Can you tell?

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Let me see...

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To the south...

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No, the west.

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Maybe Yamaguchi Prefecture.

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He's around there.

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Is he doing all right?

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Yes, he's working.

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He's a driver.

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He can't come home unless the mystery's solved.

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Why not think about the woman more seriously?

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Tragic story, isn't it?

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The woman's spirit is haunting your family.

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That's why he goes for other women.

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It's the spirit's doing.

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Which medium?　-A Sanjo one.

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I remember we had such a relative.

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She killed herself.

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If you pray for her,

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at a temple,

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will her spirit go away, thus bringing him back?

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Maybe.

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There were other women like that

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and their spirits are still wandering.

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So Tadashi is fickle.　-Really?

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Tadashi?　-Yes.

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Do you believe what the medium said?

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Not really. But it might be true.

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Do you believe her?

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Well...

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I don't really know.

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My son went missing,

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and when I got the news,
I went running to the medium.

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His boss wrote to me.

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So I asked the medium to have Tadashi come home.

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The medium said not to worry.

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In Naoetsu?　-Yes, the same medium.

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She told me not to make a fuss about this.

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She said to keep calm
and wait for the right moment.

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Is she often right?

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Very often. About illness, everything.

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Really?

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At least we know he's well.

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But we won't hear from him for a while.

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I know how you feel.

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But no matter how hard you try,

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even if reporters write about it,

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and even if you make a movie,

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I doubt he'll know that we're worried

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and will think that he should contact us.

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I hope he will.

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But if he decides not to contact us,

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then no matter how hard you try,

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it won't do any good.

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That's what I think.

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Do you trust the medium?

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You'd rather believe the medium
than try to find him?

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Yoshie Hayakawa remains single.

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She can't accept other marriage offers,

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because he might return.

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She's either looking for him or waiting for him.

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What's your opinion?

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About Yoshie...

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about her...

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I feel sorry for her.

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She's the victim.

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I pity her.　-I'm truly sorry for her.

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She takes care of me.

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Since my son went missing, I've been worried.

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But I've never had dreams about him.

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I think about him, but no dreams.

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No dreams?

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None.

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Maybe he doesn't think about me.

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Sure he does!

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Do you know the story about Saiichiro Oshima?

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Back when he won a TV set in a lottery?

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Around 1958.

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Just before the Crown Prince's marriage.

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I see. What about the TV?

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He thought he'd enjoy TV shows.

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But back then
even people with money didn't have TV sets.

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He could've watched at home.

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Sure. But even the richest here had no TV sets.

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Poor people have a lot to consider.

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So I don't watch TV now.

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But they know you won a TV.　-They do.

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So what's wrong with watching it?
Maybe a sense of guilt.

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Guilt?

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You're the eldest son, right?

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Yes. So what?

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Don't you think it's hard, or unfair?

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Ever felt like leaving home?　-Sure.

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Once I did leave home, when I was 16.

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Or 18. I went to Hokkaido.

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Stay long?

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Half a year. I got fired.

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What did you do in Hokkaido?　-Day labor.

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You left home?　-Yes.

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When your brother...

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embezzled 400,000 yen from his company,

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didn't he come to see you and talk about it?

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It was 1961, wasn't it?　-Yes, 1961.

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You gave him some money?

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Mom said you helped him out with some money.

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How much?　-I have him 100,000 yen.

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Is that so?

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Your salary was 15,000 yen?

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You earned only 15,000 a month,

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and yet you gave him 100,000 yen, right?

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That's correct.

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It's a lot of money.

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It must have been hard on you.

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I planned to marry the following year.

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I didn't want to use the money.

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But I thought...

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it would help to appease his boss's anger.

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And that it would make it easier for him
to keep working there.

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I thought Oshima was the type

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who would write to his family.

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He didn't look it.

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He isn't hiding it.

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When I was 6,

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my father died.

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Well, I heard he was dead.

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Then my mother,

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the one in the photo on the altar,

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took me on a train and we came here.

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In short, your real father left you...

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and never returned?

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That's right.

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I hate the term, but he was a bastard, huh?

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Yes.

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But actually the one
who turned him down was my mother.

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Really?

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Saiichiro's a gentle person.

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Yes. I like him.

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Oshima is the fourth son?　-Yes.

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His family owned

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only small rice paddies
and he couldn't share them.

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That's one reason

275
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why he moved to Tokyo.

276
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It's like he moved away

277
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because he was kicked out. He was unlucky.

278
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Sounds like it.

279
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And country people are gossipy

280
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and nosey.

281
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Very nosey.

282
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I wonder why they hide

283
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the fact Oshima's missing.

284
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To keep up appearances?

285
00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:54,433
They want us to find him, but can't say so.

286
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Their pride comes first.

287
00:19:57,767 --> 00:20:02,167
With Oshima gone to Tokyo, why should they care?

288
00:20:02,733 --> 00:20:06,233
But he's still a burden to his family.

289
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,100
They think only of their reputation.

290
00:20:12,133 --> 00:20:17,767
Boys who move to big cities often work

291
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in minor enterprises, just like here.

292
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What supports minor enterprises is paternalism.

293
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Katakura... Takeuchi...

294
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Terai...  Taniuchi... Hanada...

295
00:20:34,067 --> 00:20:35,267
Tanaka...

296
00:20:36,767 --> 00:20:38,167
Good morning.

297
00:20:39,533 --> 00:20:44,133
What Miyagawa's superior once said...

298
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I believe it's good advice.

299
00:20:48,233 --> 00:20:53,467
I'll read it in Miyagawa's place today.

300
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"Your life begins when you can appreciate

301
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"that which is ordinary."

302
00:21:03,167 --> 00:21:07,333
"Don't waste even one grain of rice."

303
00:21:07,633 --> 00:21:09,400
You don't grow rice,

304
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,200
but farmers slave the year round to grow it.

305
00:21:14,767 --> 00:21:20,200
When I was a child
and left a grain of rice uneaten,

306
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,767
my mother would get angry and hit me.

307
00:21:24,067 --> 00:21:27,767
"You have no right to waste rice,
because you didn't grow it!"

308
00:21:28,067 --> 00:21:29,767
She died when I was 8.

309
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:33,133
But I still remember what she said.

310
00:21:33,667 --> 00:21:35,700
What my mother meant was,

311
00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:40,267
whenever you're eating,

312
00:21:41,433 --> 00:21:44,767
you should always be thankful.

313
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Some of your parents

314
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may not tell you about it.

315
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So I'm telling you in their place:

316
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Never waste even a single grain of rice.

317
00:22:01,133 --> 00:22:02,767
Their first year here

318
00:22:04,067 --> 00:22:08,733
they get to feeling very lonely.

319
00:22:08,733 --> 00:22:12,567
They want sympathy.

320
00:22:12,567 --> 00:22:15,700
They need a sense of security, of warmth.

321
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,333
They get homesick.

322
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If you tell them you're like their parents,

323
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they rely on you.

324
00:22:24,767 --> 00:22:29,700
The food on the table was covered by paper.

325
00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:31,767
But flies got to it.

326
00:22:32,067 --> 00:22:36,333
And it got stained with sauce and mayonnaise.

327
00:22:36,333 --> 00:22:39,200
A better way was necessary.

328
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,533
So transparent food covering was developed.

329
00:22:48,767 --> 00:22:53,233
He was different from most people nowadays.

330
00:22:53,233 --> 00:22:55,400
He was old-fashioned.

331
00:22:58,033 --> 00:23:00,200
He could endure hardship.

332
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,767
Modern people are businesslike. He wasn't.

333
00:23:06,067 --> 00:23:09,567
He was a nice, obedient young man.

334
00:23:09,567 --> 00:23:12,533
Whenever asked to do anything,

335
00:23:12,533 --> 00:23:16,767
he did it at latest by the next morning.

336
00:23:16,767 --> 00:23:21,567
When Oka was at Kanda, he worked until 11 PM.

337
00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:24,533
He knew how to take orders.

338
00:23:24,533 --> 00:23:27,767
Do you think his embezzlement

339
00:23:28,067 --> 00:23:30,767
delayed his promotion?

340
00:23:30,767 --> 00:23:35,333
I think it did. Definitely.

341
00:23:35,333 --> 00:23:37,767
Did it bother him?

342
00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:43,600
Well, as for us, what he'd done

343
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,700
didn't prejudice us against him.
I'm sure about that.

344
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,700
What about him?　-Was he in trouble?

345
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,467
Maybe his conscience bothered him.

346
00:23:57,467 --> 00:24:04,400
Whenever we catch employees embezzling our money,

347
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:10,367
we rarely fire them. We make them pay it back.

348
00:24:10,633 --> 00:24:12,733
That's our policy.

349
00:24:13,033 --> 00:24:17,233
The boss took care of him in every respect.

350
00:24:17,233 --> 00:24:18,467
Mr. Oka?

351
00:24:18,467 --> 00:24:19,467
Yes.

352
00:24:19,467 --> 00:24:23,500
He treated him like a child
when he was already 30.

353
00:24:25,133 --> 00:24:29,500
It was down to Oshima's personality, too.

354
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,533
The boss liked him?

355
00:24:31,533 --> 00:24:33,200
Most probably.

356
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:35,733
It lauds Oshima's personality.

357
00:24:36,033 --> 00:24:40,733
What did you think of him when he was at work?

358
00:24:40,733 --> 00:24:42,600
Let me see...

359
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:48,333
I'm afraid he wasn't very capable.

360
00:24:48,667 --> 00:24:50,400
He drank a lot, too.

361
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,333
A real soak, huh?

362
00:24:52,667 --> 00:24:55,433
He wasn't methodical.

363
00:24:55,433 --> 00:24:57,533
I daresay he was incapable.

364
00:24:57,767 --> 00:25:02,600
He spent every yen he had on him.

365
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,700
He spent money like water.

366
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,467
It wasn't good for his business.

367
00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:11,400
Concerning women,

368
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:18,267
he once went with a woman who worked near here.

369
00:25:18,267 --> 00:25:20,767
He almost married her,

370
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:24,533
but he didn't love her.

371
00:25:24,533 --> 00:25:27,233
She loved him?　-Yes.

372
00:25:27,233 --> 00:25:29,467
Do you know Tadashi Oshima?　-I do.

373
00:25:30,067 --> 00:25:31,700
What was he like?

374
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,200
He was timid but kind.

375
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,733
You worked near his company. For what firm?

376
00:25:43,767 --> 00:25:45,200
Hello.

377
00:25:48,767 --> 00:25:52,233
May I ask you something personal?

378
00:25:52,233 --> 00:25:56,533
What were you to Tadashi Oshima?

379
00:25:57,167 --> 00:25:58,667
She was older than him.

380
00:25:58,667 --> 00:26:00,500
Yes, she was.

381
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:02,367
Several years older?　-That's right.

382
00:26:02,367 --> 00:26:03,733
We discussed it.

383
00:26:04,033 --> 00:26:08,533
I told her she was older,
and that he had no future.

384
00:26:08,533 --> 00:26:11,400
But my sister couldn't give him up.

385
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:15,467
First actions influence what a man does later.

386
00:26:15,467 --> 00:26:18,567
Did he really get her pregnant?

387
00:26:18,567 --> 00:26:20,033
Indeed he did.

388
00:26:20,233 --> 00:26:24,600
Yet he refused to marry her, right?

389
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,767
What would he have said if you'd accused him?

390
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:35,633
That day, too, I asked for his definite answer.

391
00:26:36,233 --> 00:26:38,367
But all he did was hedge.

392
00:26:38,367 --> 00:26:41,200
So I told my sister

393
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,367
that he was insincere and hopeless.

394
00:26:46,367 --> 00:26:50,467
So I asked him to at least pay for her abortion,

395
00:26:50,467 --> 00:26:53,367
if he didn't want to marry her.

396
00:26:53,367 --> 00:26:57,700
The madame liked Oshima.

397
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,233
But he preferred another girl.

398
00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:04,100
It was a love triangle.

399
00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:11,633
I think it was true,
judging from the love letters he got.

400
00:27:11,633 --> 00:27:12,767
Who wrote them?

401
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:14,100
Two women.

402
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,333
Two?

403
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,767
I was amazed.

404
00:27:19,167 --> 00:27:21,733
He got many love letters.

405
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,767
We never got any.

406
00:27:26,567 --> 00:27:29,733
He was really somebody!　-He was attractive.

407
00:27:29,733 --> 00:27:31,600
What did they say?

408
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:37,767
In short, "I can't live a day without you."

409
00:27:38,267 --> 00:27:41,633
"You're my everything." Drivel like that.

410
00:27:42,067 --> 00:27:43,633
They were all alike.

411
00:27:44,233 --> 00:27:45,767
Oshima was a good man.

412
00:27:45,767 --> 00:27:49,400
You two often drank together?

413
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,567
Yes. He was a customer and a nice person.

414
00:27:52,567 --> 00:27:57,400
Was Oshima especially honest

415
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,600
or familiar with you?

416
00:28:00,033 --> 00:28:01,767
I wonder...

417
00:28:02,067 --> 00:28:03,733
Did he tell you everything?

418
00:28:04,033 --> 00:28:09,200
He may have wanted to, but he didn't talk much.

419
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,167
Did he bring a woman?

420
00:28:11,167 --> 00:28:12,167
Yes.

421
00:28:12,167 --> 00:28:13,433
Who was she?

422
00:28:14,433 --> 00:28:16,233
I wonder who.

423
00:28:16,233 --> 00:28:20,433
The one you mentioned, named Kimiko.

424
00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:25,400
He said he'd marry her and introduced her to me.

425
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,633
But he got jilted after all.
It was something like that.

426
00:28:32,233 --> 00:28:35,367
Did you know about Kimiko?

427
00:28:35,367 --> 00:28:36,500
Pretty much.

428
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:38,067
Tell me about her.

429
00:28:40,433 --> 00:28:44,333
She was a showy type.

430
00:28:44,533 --> 00:28:48,067
What about Oshima?

431
00:28:48,633 --> 00:28:53,700
Did they love one another, or did he love her?

432
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,467
If anything, he loved her.

433
00:28:59,167 --> 00:29:00,667
Now, this Kimiko...

434
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,100
She resigned on July 15, 1960, right?

435
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:12,133
How did she act?

436
00:29:12,133 --> 00:29:13,500
To whom?

437
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:15,633
Oshima.

438
00:29:15,633 --> 00:29:20,333
I think she sometimes acted coldly to him.

439
00:29:20,333 --> 00:29:23,167
Kimiko treated him coldly.

440
00:29:23,167 --> 00:29:26,267
I sensed that she did.

441
00:29:26,267 --> 00:29:27,700
Do you know why?

442
00:29:28,167 --> 00:29:31,467
Because she got another man?

443
00:29:31,467 --> 00:29:33,167
What man?

444
00:29:33,367 --> 00:29:35,600
Ozawa, one of my customers.

445
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,467
Where does he work?

446
00:29:37,767 --> 00:29:40,100
At Sumida Trading.

447
00:29:41,067 --> 00:29:45,000
Actually, I didn't know anything about Oshima.

448
00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,267
Nothing at all.

449
00:29:47,467 --> 00:29:51,333
Eventually I ended up hurting him.

450
00:29:52,367 --> 00:29:57,333
If I'd known about him, it wouldn't have happened.

451
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,600
Of course we discussed it.

452
00:30:01,733 --> 00:30:04,767
Matsumoto acted as mediator.

453
00:30:06,433 --> 00:30:11,300
I guess that Oshima really complained about me.

454
00:30:12,033 --> 00:30:15,367
Whatever, I finally left her.

455
00:30:15,667 --> 00:30:17,133
About Kimiko...

456
00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:21,467
She left Oshima and went home to Iwate.

457
00:30:21,467 --> 00:30:25,067
What was he like after that?

458
00:30:25,467 --> 00:30:30,500
It was after my husband and I told him to give up.

459
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:32,500
He ran down the stairs.

460
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:37,033
He went from the workshop to the kitchen.

461
00:30:37,633 --> 00:30:39,700
Was he excited?

462
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:41,133
Excited?

463
00:30:41,767 --> 00:30:42,767
Upset.

464
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,533
Did he seem upset?

465
00:30:46,667 --> 00:30:50,700
While upstairs he didn't seem so.

466
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,633
He mentioned beer bottles?

467
00:30:53,633 --> 00:30:57,733
He said he wanted to break a few.

468
00:30:58,033 --> 00:31:01,333
He broke them and cried.

469
00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:03,467
Was he wild then?

470
00:31:03,467 --> 00:31:07,467
He broke them, that's all.

471
00:31:07,467 --> 00:31:09,133
And cried?

472
00:31:09,767 --> 00:31:12,167
Yes, but not loudly.

473
00:31:12,167 --> 00:31:15,467
He wept like a girl.

474
00:31:15,467 --> 00:31:19,300
Didn't he gripe about Kimiko?

475
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:20,700
I don't think so.

476
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:25,167
They were both at her mercy.

477
00:31:25,167 --> 00:31:26,467
Think so?

478
00:31:26,467 --> 00:31:30,767
Yes. Oshima and Ozawa were both at Kimiko's mercy.

479
00:31:31,167 --> 00:31:36,500
I heard that Oshima spent all his savings on her.

480
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:41,467
She betrayed him. He was born straightforward.

481
00:31:41,467 --> 00:31:44,333
He was a quiet, timid man.

482
00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:46,700
An easily manipulated type.

483
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:53,067
That's how he was: very passive.

484
00:31:53,667 --> 00:31:56,733
You loved Oshima once?

485
00:31:57,767 --> 00:31:58,767
Yes.

486
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:01,733
How could you change so quickly?

487
00:32:02,633 --> 00:32:06,367
Do you think I could change?

488
00:32:10,067 --> 00:32:13,667
Why didn't you tell them?

489
00:32:16,033 --> 00:32:19,067
Could you love two men at once?

490
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,100
You told Ozawa about Oshima, didn't you?

491
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:28,733
Afterward.

492
00:32:29,033 --> 00:32:30,133
Afterward?

493
00:32:30,133 --> 00:32:33,367
I didn't say it orally. I wrote to him.

494
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,100
You grew to like Ozawa more than Oshima. Why?

495
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,233
Ozawa worked for a bigger company.

496
00:32:46,733 --> 00:32:52,200
He was a college graduate. He had a future.

497
00:32:52,567 --> 00:32:57,600
His having a bright future attracted you to him?

498
00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:05,367
But you wanted to marry Oshima, right?

499
00:33:05,633 --> 00:33:07,633
He gave you a ring.

500
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,700
Yet you ignored it?

501
00:33:13,067 --> 00:33:15,767
Is that how you live?

502
00:33:16,567 --> 00:33:18,200
How I live?

503
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:21,433
Take me, for example.

504
00:33:21,433 --> 00:33:25,467
I was engaged to Oshima.

505
00:33:26,133 --> 00:33:31,733
Suppose another man appeared.
Tsuyuguchi, for example.

506
00:33:31,733 --> 00:33:36,367
Do you think I could switch to him so easily?

507
00:33:37,467 --> 00:33:42,200
Oshima's future looked bad, he embezzled,

508
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,400
and your parents objected to him.

509
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,533
You left him only for that?

510
00:33:49,033 --> 00:33:53,767
No. I always worked with young guys, so...

511
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,433
He looked old for his age.

512
00:33:59,033 --> 00:34:02,767
And the fact he was so introverted

513
00:34:03,767 --> 00:34:07,033
made it very hard for me.

514
00:34:08,767 --> 00:34:14,067
I hate to say it, but I hear you were pregnant.

515
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,367
Meet Oshima and you'll know.

516
00:34:18,733 --> 00:34:22,667
I'll tell you one thing for certain:

517
00:34:22,667 --> 00:34:25,633
I'd never put out before getting married.

518
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,767
Gossip usually stems from fact.

519
00:34:30,067 --> 00:34:34,400
I once wondered if you'd had a child by Oshima.

520
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,133
When I heard the rumor,

521
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:45,233
I thought he had every reason to pick you over me.

522
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,000
If you loved him, why didn't you trust him?

523
00:34:50,333 --> 00:34:56,000
It happened before I met him.
It doesn't relate to me.

524
00:34:56,367 --> 00:35:00,767
If you love him and I deny the rumor,

525
00:35:00,767 --> 00:35:04,767
will you believe what I said?

526
00:35:05,367 --> 00:35:07,333
I don't understand men.

527
00:35:08,167 --> 00:35:10,233
Neither do I.

528
00:35:10,733 --> 00:35:14,700
I wish I could meet him myself
to clarify the whole thing.

529
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:17,367
I wish I could do that, too.

530
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,000
About your pregnancy...

531
00:35:22,367 --> 00:35:27,067
Like they say, "There's no smoke without fire".

532
00:35:30,033 --> 00:35:32,033
I don't want to discuss it.

533
00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:41,133
I guess Oshima rated you more idealistic.

534
00:35:41,733 --> 00:35:44,600
What do you think, Kimiko?

535
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:51,233
I may not have been the ideal woman for him.

536
00:35:52,567 --> 00:35:54,767
I never thought about it.

537
00:35:57,067 --> 00:36:01,633
What do you think about my looking for him?

538
00:36:03,167 --> 00:36:08,433
It's because you love him and want to marry him.

539
00:36:10,167 --> 00:36:12,467
To be honest with you,

540
00:36:12,467 --> 00:36:17,733
I doubt Oshima would be happy about it.

541
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,700
Are you saying I might be annoying him?

542
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:27,333
I don't think it's totally impossible.

543
00:36:28,567 --> 00:36:33,433
He may have started a new life. Is that it?

544
00:36:33,433 --> 00:36:34,300
Yes.

545
00:36:35,533 --> 00:36:41,700
Do you think he can be happy,
regretting something?

546
00:36:43,067 --> 00:36:45,567
He did wrong and is hiding.

547
00:36:45,567 --> 00:36:50,700
Happiness built on that will soon collapse.

548
00:36:51,533 --> 00:36:54,733
He should show up and say,

549
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,767
"I didn't want to marry you.

550
00:36:57,767 --> 00:37:01,667
"I found a better woman and married her."

551
00:37:01,667 --> 00:37:04,733
That would be more manly.

552
00:37:06,033 --> 00:37:09,200
If he ran away because of you,

553
00:37:11,033 --> 00:37:12,600
it'd be hard on you.

554
00:37:14,067 --> 00:37:18,733
Maybe he couldn't forget Kimiko completely.

555
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,467
Wasn't I attractive enough?

556
00:37:24,433 --> 00:37:27,033
You shouldn't think too much.

557
00:37:28,367 --> 00:37:33,367
It's not that he was with Kimiko,
or she knew where he went.

558
00:37:33,567 --> 00:37:35,767
He might have another woman.

559
00:37:36,067 --> 00:37:39,333
His embezzlement may have shamed him.

560
00:37:40,167 --> 00:37:43,433
Did you know we were using a camera?

561
00:37:44,367 --> 00:37:47,533
I think I did,

562
00:37:47,533 --> 00:37:49,733
but when I got excited,

563
00:37:50,667 --> 00:37:52,400
I forgot about it.

564
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:56,700
Do you think Kimiko minded the camera?

565
00:37:57,167 --> 00:37:59,167
She didn't like being filmed.

566
00:37:59,167 --> 00:38:03,767
Do you think she's hiding him somewhere?

567
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:07,500
It was like...

568
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:13,433
she was saying she knows something that I don't.

569
00:38:15,167 --> 00:38:20,333
Rather than waste time speculating.

570
00:38:20,633 --> 00:38:26,267
we should find out where Oshima last went

571
00:38:26,267 --> 00:38:28,633
before he disappeared.

572
00:38:28,633 --> 00:38:30,567
Fukushima Prefecture, Tohoku.

573
00:38:38,767 --> 00:38:44,767
He hit Kori, Kunimi and turned back
before reaching Miyagi Prefecture.

574
00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:46,300
The last was Aizu-Wakamatsu.

575
00:38:46,767 --> 00:38:49,367
Anything happen there?

576
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:55,767
We'll check these places then.

577
00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:00,067
We may get something on Kimiko too.

578
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,433
On April 15 1965...

579
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,767
Did you pay in cash or by check?

580
00:39:08,067 --> 00:39:12,400
We always pay by check.

581
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,733
What was the time?

582
00:39:14,033 --> 00:39:16,700
Well, I think around noon.

583
00:39:18,233 --> 00:39:19,767
About Oshima...

584
00:39:20,067 --> 00:39:24,567
did you rate him high as a salesman?

585
00:39:27,033 --> 00:39:31,500
I was only with him a short while.

586
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:34,767
I don't remember too well.

587
00:39:34,767 --> 00:39:38,400
In my opinion, he wasn't fit as a salesman.

588
00:39:39,767 --> 00:39:42,300
He didn't come in April.

589
00:39:42,767 --> 00:39:44,333
He came every month?

590
00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:48,267
Yes. Every month until then.

591
00:39:48,267 --> 00:39:51,367
Is that so? But he didn't come in April?

592
00:39:51,367 --> 00:39:52,400
Correct.

593
00:39:53,767 --> 00:39:57,200
Whenever he came, it was...

594
00:39:59,533 --> 00:40:00,633
in the evening.

595
00:40:01,167 --> 00:40:03,700
He'd come, we'd work,

596
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:07,200
and then we'd go for a few drinks.

597
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:12,667
We'd go to town in Fukushima

598
00:40:12,667 --> 00:40:15,733
and drink there. It happened often.

599
00:40:16,033 --> 00:40:18,267
You drink a lot?　-Yes.

600
00:40:18,267 --> 00:40:20,767
I hear Oshima drank a lot.

601
00:40:21,733 --> 00:40:22,733
Was he a sot?

602
00:40:23,033 --> 00:40:27,067
Yes, I'd say he was.

603
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,033
It seems Oshima drank with him often.

604
00:40:31,233 --> 00:40:34,467
I went from bar to bar.

605
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:39,200
I never drink at one place long.

606
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,633
He came with me.
But we always went to decent places.

607
00:40:43,267 --> 00:40:45,167
He didn't do it often.

608
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,233
He danced.

609
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:57,600
The gals liked him.

610
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,600
You paid the tabs, but he was more popular?

611
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,133
I once griped. Being quiet made him popular.

612
00:41:08,267 --> 00:41:10,267
Is being quiet so good?

613
00:41:12,133 --> 00:41:14,667
I don't know. Maybe.

614
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:20,333
He was fussy about his hair.

615
00:41:20,333 --> 00:41:23,700
I'm bald here, but he had plenty.

616
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:26,700
He liked it cut short.

617
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:28,633
A dude?　-Right.

618
00:41:28,633 --> 00:41:31,700
Pomade too?　-Yes. He kept his hair neat.

619
00:41:34,233 --> 00:41:37,433
It was always combed and trimmed.

620
00:41:37,433 --> 00:41:39,600
Was he amorous?

621
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,133
He never looked it.

622
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,300
But his type often is.

623
00:41:45,667 --> 00:41:49,367
Did he come here? To drink?

624
00:41:49,367 --> 00:41:52,400
Yes, once in a while.

625
00:41:54,467 --> 00:41:56,700
How many times did he come?

626
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:59,000
I don't know. A few.

627
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:02,500
This Ito is probably from Tokyo.

628
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:04,767
He said Tokyo?

629
00:42:05,067 --> 00:42:09,567
He often came and talked with me.

630
00:42:09,567 --> 00:42:13,167
But I don't know about his friends.

631
00:42:13,167 --> 00:42:16,333
Did they talk about Tokyo?

632
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:17,767
I don't remember.

633
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:22,133
Both their companies are in Tokyo.

634
00:42:22,133 --> 00:42:23,600
They said something like that.

635
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,767
But I wasn't listening to them carefully.

636
00:42:30,067 --> 00:42:32,600
I'm sure Oshima was his friend.

637
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,500
That's why I bought him sake.

638
00:42:36,733 --> 00:42:38,133
He said that.

639
00:42:38,133 --> 00:42:41,267
He said he'd drunk with him. That's all I know.

640
00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:42,667
Thank you very much.

641
00:42:43,767 --> 00:42:48,000
He went to Kimura's every month,
but not in April. Why's that?

642
00:42:48,367 --> 00:42:50,700
On the 15th he went to three places.

643
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,167
He was still in Fukushima.

644
00:42:53,167 --> 00:42:57,300
But we don't know what happened on the 16th.

645
00:42:58,267 --> 00:43:02,067
He was in Kunimi after the 17th.

646
00:43:02,433 --> 00:43:04,567
Can we learn something there?

647
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,767
April 17, 1965?

648
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:10,100
Yes. April 17, 1965.

649
00:43:13,767 --> 00:43:16,467
You paid him... How did you pay?

650
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,267
By check, on the Kangyo Bank, Fukushima Branch.

651
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,567
A check?　-Yes.

652
00:43:25,633 --> 00:43:27,600
And this check...

653
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:33,600
did Oshima cash it at the same bank?

654
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,233
I don't know.

655
00:43:35,233 --> 00:43:38,767
He usually stopped at Fukushima.

656
00:43:38,767 --> 00:43:42,033
I think he had the time.

657
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:48,433
About the check drawn on April 17...

658
00:43:48,433 --> 00:43:53,433
No. F-008475.

659
00:43:57,433 --> 00:44:01,267
I'm amazed to hear that he's missing.

660
00:44:01,267 --> 00:44:07,567
When he came, there was nothing odd about him.

661
00:44:07,567 --> 00:44:10,600
He showed me some samples.

662
00:44:10,767 --> 00:44:15,600
On the 16th he sent 150,000 yen he'd collected.

663
00:44:17,367 --> 00:44:21,367
The 16th was the draft settlement date.

664
00:44:21,367 --> 00:44:24,167
Him knowing it means he was normal.

665
00:44:24,167 --> 00:44:28,367
About the check he got in Kunimi, did he cash it?

666
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,767
We found that this check

667
00:44:31,767 --> 00:44:36,267
was sent here by our Honjo Branch.

668
00:44:37,033 --> 00:44:38,467
Honjo in Tokyo.

669
00:44:39,067 --> 00:44:42,067
It was endorsed by Oka Industries.

670
00:44:42,367 --> 00:44:46,400
It means he didn't cash it here.

671
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,600
He could have cashed it if he'd wanted to.

672
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:53,533
Was he broke?

673
00:44:53,533 --> 00:44:56,633
Yes. But he didn't cash it.

674
00:44:56,633 --> 00:44:58,533
Strange, huh?

675
00:44:58,533 --> 00:45:02,567
What happened to the money he collected
on the 18th?

676
00:45:02,767 --> 00:45:05,267
Now I've seen his photo...

677
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,667
I think he came here.

678
00:45:10,667 --> 00:45:13,000
But I'm not too sure.

679
00:45:13,633 --> 00:45:17,767
Actually, salesmen are often listed as missing.

680
00:45:18,067 --> 00:45:21,167
It happens every few years.

681
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:25,667
To us, it's not unusual.

682
00:45:26,533 --> 00:45:28,367
We have no interest.

683
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,567
He didn't drop in at that place.

684
00:45:31,767 --> 00:45:33,267
Which means...

685
00:45:33,767 --> 00:45:37,167
He intended to run away.

686
00:45:37,467 --> 00:45:39,167
You could be right.

687
00:45:39,367 --> 00:45:40,500
What time was it?

688
00:45:41,133 --> 00:45:42,767
About noon.

689
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:45,233
How did Oshima act?

690
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:48,500
We saw nothing unusual.

691
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,767
When he left, he looked at his watch and asked us

692
00:45:56,100 --> 00:46:00,367
to call him a cab
as he had to catch express train.

693
00:46:00,367 --> 00:46:01,733
Which cab company?

694
00:46:01,733 --> 00:46:03,667
Wakamatsu Taxi.

695
00:46:03,667 --> 00:46:08,133
I thought it odd, because he usually went on foot.

696
00:46:08,133 --> 00:46:13,300
I just wondered why he splurged.

697
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:15,400
The cab came soon?　-Yes.

698
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,300
To go to the train station?　-So he said.

699
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:21,500
He drove toward the station?　-Yes.

700
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:25,667
He said  it was around 2 or 3 PM

701
00:46:25,667 --> 00:46:28,033
that the express train left.

702
00:46:29,767 --> 00:46:33,000
He didn't seem at all upset.

703
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,700
But thinking about it, he did look a bit lonely.

704
00:46:38,133 --> 00:46:40,600
He stood here,

705
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,767
gazing in that way...

706
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:49,100
glancing at his watch...

707
00:46:49,767 --> 00:46:53,267
Thinking about it, he looked lonely.

708
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,067
Did you think he'd take a train for Tokyo?

709
00:46:59,467 --> 00:47:03,767
Nobody says he'll go home at that hour.

710
00:47:04,067 --> 00:47:06,633
And no one takes a taxi, either?

711
00:47:07,167 --> 00:47:11,467
He had thick eyebrows and a suntan.

712
00:47:11,667 --> 00:47:15,667
Can you try to remember what happened then?

713
00:47:17,333 --> 00:47:20,033
It's not easy to recall his face.

714
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:22,167
So many people...

715
00:47:23,067 --> 00:47:24,767
Try hard.

716
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:27,500
It's your cab, right?　-Yes.

717
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:31,367
You went to Suehirocho Station?

718
00:47:34,767 --> 00:47:37,600
You picked him up on the way back?

719
00:47:38,367 --> 00:47:40,167
It was 2 years ago.

720
00:47:42,267 --> 00:47:47,100
You were the one who picked him up on 18th,

721
00:47:47,667 --> 00:47:49,333
at 3 PM?　-Yes.

722
00:47:49,333 --> 00:47:52,000
So... tell me...

723
00:47:53,767 --> 00:47:57,567
Where did he go after he got out?

724
00:47:57,567 --> 00:48:01,333
He said to wait for a while.

725
00:48:01,767 --> 00:48:04,700
He went to an eatery.　-Then what?

726
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,733
He came back and paid me,

727
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:12,633
then returned to the eatery.

728
00:48:13,433 --> 00:48:17,533
Young people rarely come here.

729
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:21,467
Why don't you try at the Higashiyama Spa?

730
00:48:21,667 --> 00:48:25,433
We traced him as far as Fukushima, but...

731
00:48:25,433 --> 00:48:28,233
One thing remains unknown.

732
00:48:28,233 --> 00:48:30,233
About the 16th?

733
00:48:31,533 --> 00:48:33,267
The police could do it.

734
00:48:33,267 --> 00:48:37,367
This is like a mystery film.

735
00:48:37,367 --> 00:48:40,267
It's a bit too dramatic.

736
00:48:41,033 --> 00:48:43,200
Maybe he was under orders.

737
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,733
What counts is how he felt.

738
00:48:46,033 --> 00:48:47,767
I know what you mean.

739
00:48:47,767 --> 00:48:53,400
He was in a frustrating position then.

740
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,700
So I suppose he was very thirsty.

741
00:48:58,367 --> 00:49:03,500
I wonder if Yoshie quenched his thirst.

742
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:04,767
I'm not sure.

743
00:49:04,767 --> 00:49:07,433
I take it that way.

744
00:49:07,667 --> 00:49:12,400
And then he met a kinder woman.

745
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,267
A woman who was more warm-hearted.

746
00:49:16,267 --> 00:49:19,300
Was the 16th linked to her?

747
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:21,600
A Tokyo woman.

748
00:49:23,333 --> 00:49:26,200
He couldn't have met her elsewhere.

749
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,233
He sent her money,

750
00:49:29,433 --> 00:49:33,133
then went for his bag on purpose.

751
00:49:33,633 --> 00:49:37,567
He should've gone sooner.

752
00:49:37,567 --> 00:49:39,167
He wasn't methodical.

753
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,167
He didn't plan it.

754
00:49:41,167 --> 00:49:43,667
So we must find out

755
00:49:44,033 --> 00:49:46,700
what he was thinking then.

756
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:48,767
We should focus

757
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:51,700
on what lay deep in his heart.

758
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:54,600
Then we'll arrive at a theory.

759
00:49:54,767 --> 00:49:59,000
We must take more drastic steps to find him.

760
00:49:59,367 --> 00:50:01,667
We need more courage.

761
00:50:01,667 --> 00:50:04,467
We'll check out his Tokyo woman.

762
00:50:04,667 --> 00:50:07,533
When did you search Oshima's room?

763
00:50:07,533 --> 00:50:09,233
On the 26th.

764
00:50:09,233 --> 00:50:10,767
The 26th, you say?

765
00:50:11,067 --> 00:50:14,367
You and Oshima shared this room?　-Yes.

766
00:50:14,367 --> 00:50:16,667
May we look round?　-Go ahead.

767
00:50:22,033 --> 00:50:24,767
I found checks and reports in this closet.

768
00:50:24,767 --> 00:50:26,600
Where was the sample case?

769
00:50:26,767 --> 00:50:29,700
On this shelf, about here.

770
00:50:30,267 --> 00:50:31,633
This shelf?

771
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:35,133
Mr. Umetani, can I borrow your sample case?

772
00:50:43,033 --> 00:50:44,567
Not that way.

773
00:50:46,433 --> 00:50:47,767
Yes, like that.

774
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,300
Easy to find.

775
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:53,667
He was gone 4 days.

776
00:50:54,767 --> 00:50:57,567
The 23rd to the 26th? About the 26th...

777
00:50:57,567 --> 00:50:59,733
I came here on the 26th.

778
00:50:59,733 --> 00:51:02,167
We were all here on the 25th.

779
00:51:02,767 --> 00:51:05,400
Then it was the 23rd or 24th.

780
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,433
Why did he come back?

781
00:51:08,433 --> 00:51:10,767
For his Tokyo woman?

782
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:14,567
He came to get something for her?

783
00:51:15,133 --> 00:51:17,233
That's possible.

784
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:21,767
Any ideas?

785
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:23,667
None at all.

786
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,633
I think he had a definite reason to run away.

787
00:51:28,633 --> 00:51:31,567
Probably as an employee,

788
00:51:31,567 --> 00:51:36,067
he couldn't forget his sense of responsibility.

789
00:51:36,567 --> 00:51:40,500
What matters is his character, isn't it?

790
00:51:41,167 --> 00:51:44,200
We need to work that out first.

791
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,000
Shall we make inquiries?

792
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,233
It looks like him.

793
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:53,533
He's listed as missing.

794
00:51:53,533 --> 00:51:55,033
You found this?

795
00:51:55,767 --> 00:51:57,767
Their noses are alike.

796
00:51:58,667 --> 00:52:00,700
Same high cheekbones, too.

797
00:52:02,033 --> 00:52:03,467
And big ears.

798
00:52:03,467 --> 00:52:04,767
What day in June?

799
00:52:05,533 --> 00:52:07,067
The 13th.

800
00:52:07,467 --> 00:52:11,067
They often drown here,

801
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:14,333
If someone drowns

802
00:52:14,333 --> 00:52:18,300
in the main stream, they'll get here in a week.

803
00:52:19,133 --> 00:52:23,533
This one looks like him.

804
00:52:25,033 --> 00:52:27,633
Same face and build.

805
00:52:27,633 --> 00:52:30,133
His pants were down at his feet.

806
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,600
He was naked.

807
00:52:35,167 --> 00:52:38,733
He had a gray belly-band, too.

808
00:52:39,233 --> 00:52:44,067
He was 17 or 18.　-I'm afraid he died in vain.

809
00:52:46,633 --> 00:52:52,333
Before Oshima went missing, you met him, right?

810
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,567
On April 3, 1965, right?

811
00:52:57,567 --> 00:53:01,733
Yes. The day before I played golf. So a Saturday.

812
00:53:02,033 --> 00:53:06,167
You arranged to meet him at Kinshicho on that day?

813
00:53:06,167 --> 00:53:07,467
That's right.

814
00:53:07,467 --> 00:53:09,367
We drank together.

815
00:53:09,367 --> 00:53:11,567
At this eatery?　-That's right.

816
00:53:11,767 --> 00:53:15,700
This is Miss Yoshie Hayakawa, his fiancée.

817
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:21,333
What did Oshima tell you about her on that day?

818
00:53:21,667 --> 00:53:23,433
Anything at all?

819
00:53:23,433 --> 00:53:29,133
He said he didn't want to marry for a while.

820
00:53:31,367 --> 00:53:34,567
He wanted to stay single for the present.

821
00:53:34,567 --> 00:53:37,567
He was already engaged then.

822
00:53:37,567 --> 00:53:41,400
He said he went to see his family.

823
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,700
Yet he didn't want to marry?

824
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,167
He said he wouldn't marry.

825
00:53:49,167 --> 00:53:52,367
Did you know he was engaged?

826
00:53:52,367 --> 00:53:54,300
No, I didn't.

827
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:55,567
About his fiancée...

828
00:53:55,567 --> 00:53:58,500
He mentioned her.

829
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,067
Yet he didn't want to marry?　-Right.

830
00:54:01,267 --> 00:54:02,733
Did you hear about it?

831
00:54:02,733 --> 00:54:05,267
He got engaged

832
00:54:05,533 --> 00:54:08,467
before he knew her very well.

833
00:54:08,467 --> 00:54:11,167
He said she was a nice person.

834
00:54:11,367 --> 00:54:15,767
But he didn't know her sister was a mistress.

835
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:18,767
He felt she had deceived him.

836
00:54:18,767 --> 00:54:22,733
He didn't want to marry her. He said so.

837
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,567
I think I heard about it.

838
00:54:27,633 --> 00:54:29,267
About what?

839
00:54:30,167 --> 00:54:32,433
I hate to say this:

840
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:37,200
but his fiancée's sister was a kept woman.

841
00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:42,433
When Oshima went to see his fiancée,

842
00:54:42,767 --> 00:54:45,633
he often met her sister's patron.

843
00:54:49,567 --> 00:54:54,500
So he didn't like to go. That's what he told me.

844
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:56,767
Is that so?　-That's what he said.

845
00:55:00,433 --> 00:55:05,700
I told him his fiancée
and her sister were different.

846
00:55:06,033 --> 00:55:10,233
One had nothing to do with the other.

847
00:55:10,233 --> 00:55:15,367
I remember telling him exactly that.

848
00:55:15,633 --> 00:55:17,700
When was it?

849
00:55:20,033 --> 00:55:23,733
As I recall, it was in 1965,

850
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,767
a month before he went missing.

851
00:55:29,033 --> 00:55:31,300
The month before he vanished?

852
00:55:31,567 --> 00:55:34,600
It was February or March.

853
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:39,700
His fiancée's sister was a kept woman.

854
00:55:40,433 --> 00:55:43,467
When Oshima went to see his fiancée,

855
00:55:45,167 --> 00:55:47,733
he often met her sister's patron.

856
00:55:47,733 --> 00:55:51,233
He said he wouldn't marry for a while.

857
00:55:52,633 --> 00:55:57,267
Was it quenched by Yoshie?

858
00:55:57,267 --> 00:56:00,200
No, it wasn't.　-Evidently.

859
00:56:07,367 --> 00:56:10,067
I didn't want...

860
00:56:11,133 --> 00:56:13,700
to hear anything negative.

861
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,633
I didn't try to learn about it, either.

862
00:56:16,633 --> 00:56:20,033
Who wants to hear a lot of negatives?

863
00:56:20,233 --> 00:56:23,733
A man is taking care of you.

864
00:56:23,733 --> 00:56:27,467
To put it bluntly, he's paying you, right?

865
00:56:28,167 --> 00:56:29,267
Regularly?

866
00:56:29,567 --> 00:56:33,400
If you mean money, it's nothing great.

867
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,200
I get a monthly sum.

868
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,133
It bothered Oshima a lot.

869
00:56:40,367 --> 00:56:44,200
Was what he suspected true?

870
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:48,700
I can't very well say it wasn't true.

871
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:50,467
What do you mean by that?

872
00:56:51,233 --> 00:56:55,167
I wonder why Oshima didn't like it.

873
00:56:55,167 --> 00:56:57,600
Was it really that bad?

874
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,500
Maybe it was due to your man.

875
00:57:01,667 --> 00:57:03,267
Who is he?

876
00:57:04,633 --> 00:57:06,133
Stop it...

877
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,733
If Oshima disappeared because of me,

878
00:57:13,033 --> 00:57:15,333
I'd feel very bad about it.

879
00:57:15,633 --> 00:57:18,533
Didn't you know about your sister?

880
00:57:20,433 --> 00:57:22,567
I'm short-tempered.

881
00:57:23,133 --> 00:57:25,500
She often came home drunk.

882
00:57:25,733 --> 00:57:29,767
I guessed she had a couple of men.

883
00:57:30,567 --> 00:57:33,767
But I didn't know she took money.

884
00:57:34,533 --> 00:57:36,300
She said so clearly.

885
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,433
Yes, I just heard her.

886
00:57:39,433 --> 00:57:45,367
But I never asked if she had a man or got money.

887
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,767
Maybe you didn't,

888
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:53,733
but the fact Oshima knew means you knew, too.

889
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:56,033
We assume that.

890
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:58,367
So how come you didn't know?

891
00:57:58,367 --> 00:58:00,300
Did Yoshie know about it?

892
00:58:01,467 --> 00:58:03,700
Once when Oshima came,

893
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,567
One time my man and I were going out to eat

894
00:58:09,567 --> 00:58:12,667
and we ran into Oshima in the entrance.

895
00:58:13,133 --> 00:58:16,033
Yoshie hadn't come home yet.

896
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,667
You two were going out?　-Yes.

897
00:58:20,267 --> 00:58:21,433
Then what?

898
00:58:22,467 --> 00:58:26,133
I don't remember what he did.

899
00:58:27,033 --> 00:58:30,133
We met him only once.

900
00:58:30,467 --> 00:58:32,033
Did you talk?

901
00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:36,767
Not really. We just exchanged greetings.

902
00:58:38,067 --> 00:58:43,233
Do you think
Yoshie would've been happy marrying Oshima?

903
00:58:43,233 --> 00:58:48,233
I think any married couple must be together

904
00:58:48,233 --> 00:58:50,733
for ten years, maybe even more,

905
00:58:51,033 --> 00:58:53,733
before they know one another.

906
00:58:54,233 --> 00:58:56,700
At first they may have fights.

907
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:59,533
But it's true with any couple.

908
00:59:00,367 --> 00:59:04,433
In a marriage, both people have defects.

909
00:59:04,433 --> 00:59:07,533
They must overcome them.

910
00:59:07,533 --> 00:59:11,767
Weren't you jealous because they were so close?

911
00:59:11,767 --> 00:59:14,000
I don't think so.

912
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,467
If anything, I was glad to be with them.

913
00:59:18,467 --> 00:59:21,400
You always stuck with us.

914
00:59:22,767 --> 00:59:25,400
"Stuck" sounds dirty.

915
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:29,700
But I liked that sort of atmosphere.

916
00:59:31,433 --> 00:59:32,667
Peaceful?

917
00:59:32,667 --> 00:59:34,767
Sorry? Yes, peaceful.

918
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,433
I like a peaceful mood.

919
00:59:38,433 --> 00:59:40,567
Were you morose then?

920
00:59:40,567 --> 00:59:45,633
Well, I never poured sake for him.

921
00:59:45,633 --> 00:59:48,500
It was your job, wasn't it?

922
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:53,200
You offered him sake before I could.

923
00:59:54,467 --> 00:59:57,533
It's true, strictly speaking.

924
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:03,400
So all I could do was watch television.

925
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,733
After he left you accused me of being cold.

926
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,300
But we couldn't have him at the same time.

927
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,633
There was no choice. I had to watch TV.

928
01:00:21,433 --> 01:00:24,400
I should've been more thoughtful.

929
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:30,700
I often wanted to say, "He isn't your man."

930
01:00:31,333 --> 01:00:33,167
I always felt that way.

931
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:39,067
When I said to go to the public bath, she refused.

932
01:00:40,167 --> 01:00:44,767
I'm often here alone, so when visitors come...

933
01:00:46,633 --> 01:00:49,267
You feel like staying with them?

934
01:00:49,267 --> 01:00:50,667
Yes, that's right.

935
01:00:51,367 --> 01:00:56,600
I wasn't jealous of them because they were close.

936
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,667
If he didn't want to marry my sister,

937
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:06,767
he should've written to us about it.

938
01:01:07,233 --> 01:01:11,600
He may be hiding from society.

939
01:01:13,633 --> 01:01:15,467
How shall I put it?

940
01:01:16,133 --> 01:01:19,467
Maybe he's happy living with someone else now.

941
01:01:20,433 --> 01:01:25,333
If so, he may have done something bad.

942
01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:26,733
Meaning what?

943
01:01:26,733 --> 01:01:29,767
He was too involved with business.

944
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:33,233
He felt trapped.

945
01:01:33,233 --> 01:01:36,100
Even if he thinks he's happy now,

946
01:01:37,433 --> 01:01:40,300
he still can't face us.

947
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:45,167
What I fear is, he may have committed a crime,

948
01:01:45,167 --> 01:01:47,700
and that's why he's hiding.

949
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:54,633
Maybe I'm coldhearted toward Yoshie,

950
01:01:54,633 --> 01:01:57,267
but I'm worried about Oshima.

951
01:01:57,267 --> 01:02:03,300
If he killed himself, we're responsible for it.

952
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:08,433
If you kill yourself, I'll feel for you too.

953
01:02:10,033 --> 01:02:11,533
I hope it never happens.

954
01:02:12,567 --> 01:02:15,767
I've come this far. I won't die.

955
01:02:16,067 --> 01:02:18,667
Not after you missed your chance.

956
01:02:18,667 --> 01:02:21,100
I can't die so easily.

957
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:26,333
I'll live on regardless.　-And find happiness.

958
01:02:26,533 --> 01:02:33,000
Happiness based
on a shaky foundation soon collapses.

959
01:02:33,233 --> 01:02:36,200
Even in extreme poverty...

960
01:02:37,767 --> 01:02:41,400
you may find happiness that no one else knows.

961
01:02:43,467 --> 01:02:45,233
I feel that way.

962
01:02:49,267 --> 01:02:52,067
My face is becoming harder.

963
01:02:53,567 --> 01:02:56,767
I can tell how I look now.

964
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,367
I wish I'd hit her.

965
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,600
You wish you'd hit your sister?

966
01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:17,667
Hit your sister?

967
01:03:18,067 --> 01:03:20,300
I know it's senseless, but still...

968
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:24,433
What makes you feel that way?

969
01:03:24,433 --> 01:03:26,333
She's filthy!

970
01:03:28,133 --> 01:03:30,433
Your sister's filthy?　-She is.

971
01:03:30,433 --> 01:03:32,167
Your sister's filthy?

972
01:03:34,433 --> 01:03:36,000
Everyone is.

973
01:03:36,167 --> 01:03:37,600
Even you.

974
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:46,400
Do you mean...

975
01:03:48,633 --> 01:03:52,467
the fact she was with another man?

976
01:03:52,467 --> 01:03:54,267
That's enough. Leave.

977
01:03:55,767 --> 01:03:57,400
I want to be alone.

978
01:03:59,567 --> 01:04:02,600
Do you hate Sayoko that much?

979
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:04,000
Yes.

980
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,500
I wonder why.

981
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,000
Did something happen in your childhood?

982
01:04:10,667 --> 01:04:12,767
I don't know.　-You don't know?

983
01:04:13,533 --> 01:04:17,433
You seem very upset up now.

984
01:04:18,167 --> 01:04:22,733
I can't understand why you hate her so much.

985
01:04:24,167 --> 01:04:26,533
I really don't get it.

986
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:29,000
I wonder why.

987
01:04:31,033 --> 01:04:35,700
I don't know what's on Sayoko's mind, either.

988
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,667
She's a strange type.

989
01:04:42,667 --> 01:04:45,633
What were the sisters like?

990
01:04:45,633 --> 01:04:50,267
They haven't been good sisters all their lives.

991
01:04:50,567 --> 01:04:54,767
There's this place near Yokohama

992
01:04:54,767 --> 01:04:56,600
called Hoshikawa.

993
01:04:57,167 --> 01:04:59,667
Since they were evacuated there,

994
01:04:59,667 --> 01:05:04,667
Yoshie hasn't respected her sister.

995
01:05:07,733 --> 01:05:10,367
Sayoko didn't complain.

996
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,500
They grew up, being like that.

997
01:05:13,500 --> 01:05:18,200
Sayoko's at Yoshie's mercy.

998
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,600
That's how it is, even though Sayoko's older.

999
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,367
Yoshie has a fierce temper.

1000
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:32,533
Still,
she had to live with Sayoko in her apartment.

1001
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,400
I guess it was hard on her.

1002
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,700
They lived together once.

1003
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:44,333
Yoshie got engaged when they lived together.

1004
01:05:44,333 --> 01:05:45,367
That's right.

1005
01:05:45,567 --> 01:05:49,700
She has a mean character.

1006
01:05:50,233 --> 01:05:54,733
Don't tell anyone,
but when we were kids we'd fight.

1007
01:05:55,300 --> 01:06:01,033
She'd bite me. She wouldn't let go until I bled.

1008
01:06:03,267 --> 01:06:05,033
That's how she is.

1009
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,600
About your hate for Sayoko...

1010
01:06:09,633 --> 01:06:11,700
If "hate" is the right word.

1011
01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:16,433
Do you hate her physically?

1012
01:06:16,433 --> 01:06:19,767
I find her kind of filthy.

1013
01:06:19,767 --> 01:06:22,533
I could never share a bed with her.

1014
01:06:24,233 --> 01:06:27,067
I felt sick when I touched her chest.

1015
01:06:28,567 --> 01:06:34,367
It was oddly soft. I remember how I hated it.

1016
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:40,067
I hear the Hayakawa ancestors were samurai.

1017
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,533
Yes, they were samurai in Shibata.

1018
01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:45,300
What about your father?

1019
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:47,300
He's 10th generation.

1020
01:06:47,767 --> 01:06:51,400
What did his father do?

1021
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,000
He was the first judge of the court at Shibata.

1022
01:06:56,300 --> 01:07:01,700
Did your father write this family history book?

1023
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:06,233
Yes. But it was originally
by his great-great-grandfather.

1024
01:07:06,533 --> 01:07:10,533
Dad reproduced it after the original burned.

1025
01:07:10,533 --> 01:07:16,167
I can see he had deep respect for his family name.

1026
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,367
Yoshie said he was strict.

1027
01:07:21,533 --> 01:07:23,333
He was very strict.

1028
01:07:24,133 --> 01:07:26,733
That means he was particular.

1029
01:07:27,267 --> 01:07:32,400
Were there any episodes that showed his character?

1030
01:07:33,133 --> 01:07:35,033
Let me see...

1031
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:41,200
As I recall, it was a year before he passed away.

1032
01:07:42,333 --> 01:07:48,200
He brought me a very old sword, a family heirloom.

1033
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,267
He asked us to lend him some money on it.

1034
01:07:53,267 --> 01:07:54,467
A sword?

1035
01:07:55,300 --> 01:08:01,567
We made the loan, but didn't take the sword.

1036
01:08:01,567 --> 01:08:05,533
"Please,
you should keep your family treasure at home,"

1037
01:08:05,533 --> 01:08:08,433
my husband told him.

1038
01:08:09,033 --> 01:08:15,633
Shortly before he died, he brought it to us again.

1039
01:08:17,233 --> 01:08:22,733
He told us to take the sword
because he couldn't pay his debt.

1040
01:08:23,767 --> 01:08:27,700
Do you think Yoshie is like her father?

1041
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:34,600
Yes, as for her strong will and fastidiousness.

1042
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,433
What was her mother like?

1043
01:08:36,767 --> 01:08:38,567
She was somewhat sloppy.

1044
01:08:39,633 --> 01:08:43,633
They say I got my sloppiness from my mom.

1045
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,633
My late sister said I was exactly like my mom.

1046
01:08:48,633 --> 01:08:50,600
She said I was sloppy.

1047
01:08:51,033 --> 01:08:54,767
Sayoko is the kindest of the sisters.

1048
01:08:55,067 --> 01:08:59,733
We can tell by the way she acts toward us.

1049
01:08:59,733 --> 01:09:01,733
In my opinion...

1050
01:09:02,067 --> 01:09:05,200
The way I see it...

1051
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,267
Sayoko is the kindest.

1052
01:09:08,433 --> 01:09:13,233
Tadashi helped with Sayoko and Yoshie's living.

1053
01:09:13,233 --> 01:09:17,533
Yoshie spoke harshly to Sayoko.

1054
01:09:17,733 --> 01:09:25,333
He wished that Yoshie were as kind as her sister.

1055
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:27,733
I'm ashamed to say this,

1056
01:09:28,033 --> 01:09:32,033
but Sayoko was adopted by a geisha house owner,

1057
01:09:33,167 --> 01:09:39,400
and learned singing and dancing to be a geisha.

1058
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,700
Yoshie hated that.

1059
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:45,067
She didn't tell anyone about it.

1060
01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:49,133
She practically hid her.

1061
01:09:49,133 --> 01:09:52,500
She was ashamed to have such a sister.

1062
01:09:52,667 --> 01:09:56,300
She didn't like my place

1063
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:58,700
when she came to work here.

1064
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,467
I was short of hands,

1065
01:10:01,633 --> 01:10:05,400
so I hired her as a maid.

1066
01:10:05,767 --> 01:10:07,767
She was 21 or 22?

1067
01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:09,367
Yes.

1068
01:10:09,367 --> 01:10:10,667
And?

1069
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,133
She said she wanted to be a geisha.

1070
01:10:15,133 --> 01:10:17,633
Did she say so on her own?

1071
01:10:17,633 --> 01:10:18,467
Yes.

1072
01:10:18,467 --> 01:10:21,367
I myself don't know why.

1073
01:10:24,133 --> 01:10:29,733
I only wanted to live
without being a burden to anyone.

1074
01:10:30,467 --> 01:10:34,767
My singing and dancing didn't improve.

1075
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:37,100
I became a geisha out of habit.

1076
01:10:37,267 --> 01:10:39,000
She's a quiet person.

1077
01:10:39,533 --> 01:10:42,267
Any rumors?　-No.

1078
01:10:42,267 --> 01:10:44,767
No love affairs at all.　-Totally decent?

1079
01:10:45,467 --> 01:10:48,733
No geisha can be totally decent!

1080
01:10:48,733 --> 01:10:52,267
But she was decent compared to some others.

1081
01:10:52,267 --> 01:10:56,633
It was like she'd been forced. to be a geisha.

1082
01:10:58,533 --> 01:11:00,767
She was pretty, wasn't she?

1083
01:11:00,767 --> 01:11:02,700
That's not enough.

1084
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,233
We all said she'd never make it as a geisha.

1085
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:11,700
How have you and Sayoko been linked until now?

1086
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:14,000
It was only a month or so

1087
01:11:14,167 --> 01:11:18,300
after I opened the place.

1088
01:11:18,567 --> 01:11:21,733
I was short of help.

1089
01:11:21,733 --> 01:11:24,433
So I asked her to work for me.

1090
01:11:24,433 --> 01:11:26,367
Was it a bar?　-Yes.

1091
01:11:26,367 --> 01:11:27,767
Was it here?　-Yes.

1092
01:11:29,567 --> 01:11:31,767
You ran the bar yourself?

1093
01:11:32,067 --> 01:11:33,600
No, I didn't.

1094
01:11:34,700 --> 01:11:35,767
And then?

1095
01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:40,233
I closed it down and sold it.

1096
01:11:42,067 --> 01:11:46,100
Sayoko decided to earn her keep by driving a car.

1097
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:49,167
She thought she'd be able to work

1098
01:11:49,367 --> 01:11:53,100
until she was into her fifties.

1099
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:59,133
It took her about 3 months
to get a driver's license.

1100
01:12:00,067 --> 01:12:03,667
She's been driving now for almost three years.

1101
01:12:04,467 --> 01:12:07,367
Everyone says she's a very good driver.

1102
01:12:08,333 --> 01:12:09,933
Miss Hayakawa,

1103
01:12:09,933 --> 01:12:15,933
if you find Oshima, who's still missing now,

1104
01:12:16,367 --> 01:12:19,633
will you still marry him?

1105
01:12:20,367 --> 01:12:22,700
That's a difficult question.

1106
01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:26,500
He may have changed, I don't know.

1107
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:31,700
It's not that I merely want him to return to me.

1108
01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:36,700
I want him to return to his old parents too.

1109
01:12:36,867 --> 01:12:39,867
That's a humane sounding story.

1110
01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:44,267
But I think she's trying to show off.

1111
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,667
I don't judge it wrong

1112
01:12:46,667 --> 01:12:51,467
if she thinks almost entirely about herself.

1113
01:12:51,733 --> 01:12:54,467
After 3 months of investigating,

1114
01:12:54,467 --> 01:12:57,867
did you find out why he ran away?

1115
01:12:57,867 --> 01:13:03,567
Has no one objected to appearing in this film?

1116
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,933
Did you accept the director's offer

1117
01:13:06,933 --> 01:13:10,233
merely because you wanted to look for Oshima?

1118
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:44,833
Yoshie and her sister lived
in that apartment over there.

1119
01:13:44,833 --> 01:13:47,900
Yes. And Oshima visited them often.

1120
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,633
So it's a very important place.

1121
01:13:52,167 --> 01:13:53,900
Is that the railway bridge?

1122
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:56,300
Yes. So Asakusabashi is to the right.

1123
01:13:56,300 --> 01:13:58,600
Yoshie got a lot smarter.

1124
01:13:59,933 --> 01:14:03,633
She's an actress. She's trying to show off.

1125
01:14:03,633 --> 01:14:08,433
Shortly after Oshima went missing,

1126
01:14:08,433 --> 01:14:13,400
she began to suspect her sister. She said so.

1127
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,933
She's using our camera and recorder

1128
01:14:16,933 --> 01:14:19,800
to invent a drama.

1129
01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:23,933
Or am I imagining too much?

1130
01:14:24,267 --> 01:14:25,933
But eventually...

1131
01:14:26,267 --> 01:14:30,667
She's got us where she wants us, that woman.

1132
01:14:31,867 --> 01:14:33,833
Is this fiction?

1133
01:14:34,267 --> 01:14:35,700
Non-fiction.

1134
01:14:36,633 --> 01:14:40,800
Whatever, she's playing a role.

1135
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,633
For example, her hatred for Kimiko,

1136
01:14:45,633 --> 01:14:49,867
and her hatred for her sister.

1137
01:14:50,167 --> 01:14:51,900
They're similar.

1138
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,900
A sexual complex, perhaps?

1139
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,500
Perhaps.　-Or something more complicated.

1140
01:14:58,667 --> 01:15:03,900
You once talked about identification with Oshima.

1141
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:09,600
Checking the sisters seems more important
than the plot.

1142
01:15:10,533 --> 01:15:15,467
We might be able to learn the truth.

1143
01:15:15,467 --> 01:15:20,667
I'm not so sure about it,
but I think we're getting somewhere.

1144
01:15:21,467 --> 01:15:22,633
I agree.

1145
01:15:22,633 --> 01:15:26,733
I think man is always observing himself.

1146
01:15:27,500 --> 01:15:30,633
Still, he sometimes fails to do so.

1147
01:15:30,633 --> 01:15:33,733
Do actors have nothing of their own?

1148
01:15:34,167 --> 01:15:37,533
Actors always play someone else.

1149
01:15:37,533 --> 01:15:39,400
This is non-fiction.

1150
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,867
We're the same as Yoshie.

1151
01:15:43,300 --> 01:15:46,400
This is a non-fiction.

1152
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,567
Bur Oshima knows its plot.

1153
01:15:49,567 --> 01:15:52,767
Right. I wish he could tell us the story.

1154
01:15:52,933 --> 01:15:54,600
He kept her here?

1155
01:15:54,833 --> 01:15:56,833
Apparently.

1156
01:15:57,833 --> 01:16:00,867
He said he'd use it as a dormitory.

1157
01:16:00,867 --> 01:16:06,500
If the employees stayed at hotels,
it'd be too costly.

1158
01:16:07,233 --> 01:16:10,700
A room here would save him money.

1159
01:16:10,867 --> 01:16:14,567
He wanted it for his employees.

1160
01:16:14,567 --> 01:16:15,933
So he rented it.

1161
01:16:16,233 --> 01:16:17,933
He said that?

1162
01:16:17,933 --> 01:16:23,933
Then a woman, a geisha, started to live here.

1163
01:16:28,167 --> 01:16:31,567
Don't you think that Yoshie Hayakawa

1164
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,900
has started to change?

1165
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:37,867
She got to like you.

1166
01:16:38,633 --> 01:16:39,800
Right.

1167
01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:46,533
I think I can feel it... somehow.

1168
01:16:46,933 --> 01:16:49,833
After we switched to a public investigation,

1169
01:16:50,567 --> 01:16:52,667
and she appeared on TV,

1170
01:16:52,667 --> 01:16:54,933
that's when it started.

1171
01:16:55,233 --> 01:17:01,233
I guess being on TV got her excited.

1172
01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:05,433
But that's not all. I'm not sure how to put it...

1173
01:17:05,867 --> 01:17:09,333
I think... she lost her sincerity.

1174
01:17:09,333 --> 01:17:12,833
She's no longer earnest in looking for Oshima.

1175
01:17:12,833 --> 01:17:14,367
I feel that, too.

1176
01:17:14,367 --> 01:17:17,633
She liked Oshima at first.

1177
01:17:17,633 --> 01:17:21,867
But if she got to like you,

1178
01:17:22,467 --> 01:17:26,233
there'd be no need to look for Oshima.

1179
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,800
That's why she's changed.

1180
01:17:30,733 --> 01:17:34,800
I'm only her guardian.

1181
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:40,600
If she really got to like me better...

1182
01:17:42,567 --> 01:17:47,533
How can I put it?　-it'd be highly embarrassing.

1183
01:17:47,533 --> 01:17:52,833
It's a new but simple fact, isn't it?

1184
01:17:53,433 --> 01:17:59,733
I want to capture this new reality.

1185
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:14,800
I feel as if he's someone very far from me.

1186
01:18:15,933 --> 01:18:17,533
Since when?

1187
01:18:19,267 --> 01:18:21,900
I'm not sure when exactly.

1188
01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:25,400
It's happened over the past half-year.

1189
01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:28,433
Just gradually.

1190
01:18:28,433 --> 01:18:33,800
I thought I'd never be able to forget Oshima.

1191
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:39,900
But now I'm beginning to think I can.

1192
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:43,667
How do you feel now?

1193
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,833
If I met him, I could talk with him casually.

1194
01:18:50,333 --> 01:18:53,433
I feel like he's in the past.

1195
01:19:00,433 --> 01:19:01,600
Crows!

1196
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:07,200
Do you hate crows?　-Yes.

1197
01:19:10,233 --> 01:19:12,167
You hate them...

1198
01:19:14,333 --> 01:19:15,667
because...

1199
01:19:16,567 --> 01:19:18,333
they bring bad luck?

1200
01:19:18,567 --> 01:19:20,433
Because they're grotesque.

1201
01:19:23,933 --> 01:19:27,333
I wish I could forget this film!

1202
01:19:31,167 --> 01:19:34,267
I feel wonderful here!

1203
01:19:38,267 --> 01:19:42,533
Why did you get to like me?

1204
01:19:43,167 --> 01:19:44,300
I don't know.

1205
01:19:48,833 --> 01:19:50,267
Since when?

1206
01:19:51,533 --> 01:19:56,800
I don't know. Maybe I was lonely at first.

1207
01:20:02,833 --> 01:20:04,833
Somehow I felt empty.

1208
01:20:04,833 --> 01:20:08,300
I guess I'm feeling empty even now.

1209
01:20:12,733 --> 01:20:15,200
Do you like Oshima or me?

1210
01:20:15,867 --> 01:20:20,367
Right now I don't like anyone but you.

1211
01:20:29,300 --> 01:20:33,767
I might meet someone else before I die.

1212
01:20:45,333 --> 01:20:47,267
What you said...

1213
01:20:50,467 --> 01:20:55,667
Judging from what you just said,

1214
01:20:56,267 --> 01:21:01,867
you're becoming different from what you were.

1215
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:08,800
I don't want to think too much about it, though.

1216
01:21:09,433 --> 01:21:13,733
Man more or less directs himself, after all.

1217
01:21:14,533 --> 01:21:16,167
That's what I think.

1218
01:21:19,533 --> 01:21:22,900
He's playing out a drama.

1219
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:25,767
Actually, I take it that way.

1220
01:21:27,567 --> 01:21:29,500
You know...

1221
01:21:31,867 --> 01:21:35,767
I'm certain you're the only one I love.

1222
01:21:38,933 --> 01:21:41,500
But that might be a very selfish idea.

1223
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:44,633
So I said what you heard.

1224
01:21:50,267 --> 01:21:51,700
What did you think before?

1225
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,700
I thought you were my all then, too.

1226
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,933
Maybe I just tried to think so.

1227
01:22:02,467 --> 01:22:04,867
This may sound too dramatic:

1228
01:22:06,333 --> 01:22:09,433
I don't want to leave you.

1229
01:22:09,433 --> 01:22:11,933
But if I must leave you,

1230
01:22:13,367 --> 01:22:15,933
I'll go somewhere and work.

1231
01:22:16,733 --> 01:22:20,233
I'll go somewhere else,

1232
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:23,433
where I won't need anyone.

1233
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,333
From now on,

1234
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,733
I'm not my usual self.

1235
01:22:31,733 --> 01:22:36,400
I'm only a unit in a group.

1236
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,667
That's how it should be.

1237
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:42,700
I've decided.

1238
01:22:43,233 --> 01:22:47,933
Still, I guess it'll be a pity to be so.

1239
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:52,567
So I'd best care only about myself.

1240
01:22:52,900 --> 01:22:54,833
You shocked me.

1241
01:22:56,567 --> 01:23:01,867
You sounded like we had some special relationship,

1242
01:23:01,867 --> 01:23:04,700
Oshima and I.

1243
01:23:05,667 --> 01:23:10,867
I didn't know why you looked at me that way.

1244
01:23:13,167 --> 01:23:15,900
Yoshie acted odd those days.

1245
01:23:17,233 --> 01:23:20,600
She's odd now too, but it was different.

1246
01:23:21,533 --> 01:23:23,433
I was really shocked.

1247
01:23:23,433 --> 01:23:26,300
I asked the boss why.

1248
01:23:26,300 --> 01:23:30,533
I told him they regarded me that way.

1249
01:23:33,333 --> 01:23:39,333
He said if they regarded me that way,
that's how I'd look.

1250
01:23:40,533 --> 01:23:42,500
I was shocked.

1251
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:49,500
How's Oshima?

1252
01:23:52,933 --> 01:23:54,767
She's Oshima.

1253
01:23:55,767 --> 01:23:58,467
Don't ask me anything!

1254
01:23:59,167 --> 01:24:00,900
We worry about you.

1255
01:24:02,233 --> 01:24:04,700
Return to your father.　-I can't.

1256
01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:08,767
Why not? We're all waiting for you.

1257
01:24:09,467 --> 01:24:11,433
Is he dead?

1258
01:24:11,433 --> 01:24:12,600
Is he alive?

1259
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:15,933
Is he dead?

1260
01:24:18,567 --> 01:24:20,533
He passed away?

1261
01:24:20,933 --> 01:24:22,400
Yes.

1262
01:24:24,500 --> 01:24:25,900
When was it?

1263
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:28,500
About 3 months ago.

1264
01:24:31,467 --> 01:24:32,833
Where did he die?

1265
01:24:34,233 --> 01:24:36,167
No point in asking me!

1266
01:24:36,933 --> 01:24:38,600
Stop asking!

1267
01:24:40,367 --> 01:24:43,300
No more questions.

1268
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:46,167
Was it suicide or murder?

1269
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,267
You still don't understand?

1270
01:24:56,233 --> 01:24:58,867
I had a bad dream last night.

1271
01:24:59,167 --> 01:25:01,800
I chased two white cats.

1272
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,900
I slashed them with a knife.

1273
01:25:07,900 --> 01:25:11,933
They were still alive, and I put them in a crate.

1274
01:25:12,233 --> 01:25:15,933
When they tried to escape,

1275
01:25:15,933 --> 01:25:19,333
I hit them, covered them with a board,

1276
01:25:19,333 --> 01:25:22,933
and nailed the crate shut.

1277
01:25:23,233 --> 01:25:27,833
The nails were so long
they pierced the cat's heads.

1278
01:25:27,833 --> 01:25:32,933
When I woke up, I was amazed

1279
01:25:32,933 --> 01:25:38,300
at how brutal I could be.

1280
01:26:16,367 --> 01:26:19,800
She used to come once a week.

1281
01:26:23,167 --> 01:26:28,433
She was taking a driving lesson
and came in for a haircut.

1282
01:26:28,433 --> 01:26:30,400
She hasn't come since.

1283
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,367
What do you think she did?

1284
01:26:34,933 --> 01:26:38,467
She looked like a kept woman.

1285
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,667
I don't think she had a job.

1286
01:26:40,833 --> 01:26:43,467
What else do you remember?

1287
01:26:43,467 --> 01:26:46,633
She phoned each time she came.

1288
01:26:46,633 --> 01:26:48,367
She phoned?　-Yes.

1289
01:26:48,367 --> 01:26:51,433
Where's your phone?　-In the back room.

1290
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:56,667
She said her sister often came on Sundays.

1291
01:27:00,767 --> 01:27:03,567
Her sister came Sundays?

1292
01:27:03,567 --> 01:27:06,533
Sounds like we lived separately.

1293
01:27:07,433 --> 01:27:08,933
Yes, that's it.

1294
01:27:10,467 --> 01:27:13,367
She hid the fact she lived with you.

1295
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:15,867
Evidently.

1296
01:27:17,300 --> 01:27:21,867
When that door opened, I saw her.

1297
01:27:22,167 --> 01:27:24,600
I saw a man too.

1298
01:27:24,933 --> 01:27:31,400
I asked who he was. She said he was her brother.

1299
01:27:31,833 --> 01:27:36,800
He looked like a student, I remember that.

1300
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:40,733
Did you see his face?

1301
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,867
Yes, when he turned around.

1302
01:27:45,333 --> 01:27:48,933
I saw his face.　-But I didn't.

1303
01:27:49,633 --> 01:27:50,933
I remember well.

1304
01:27:51,267 --> 01:27:54,733
I recall he had thick eyebrows.

1305
01:27:55,467 --> 01:27:57,333
Was he short?　-Yes.

1306
01:27:57,500 --> 01:27:58,633
Where was it?

1307
01:27:58,633 --> 01:28:03,867
I was near the railway bridge over there.

1308
01:28:03,867 --> 01:28:07,533
There's a car shop close by.

1309
01:28:07,533 --> 01:28:11,333
I passed it on a bicycle.

1310
01:28:11,667 --> 01:28:13,800
There weren't many people about.

1311
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:17,633
He glanced at me and looked away.

1312
01:28:17,633 --> 01:28:19,467
I kind of recognized him.

1313
01:28:19,667 --> 01:28:21,333
What else?

1314
01:28:21,333 --> 01:28:24,933
You showed me a woman's photo, right?

1315
01:28:25,433 --> 01:28:26,600
This one.

1316
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,367
I saw him walking with her.

1317
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:35,533
I remember seeing them together 3 or 4 times.

1318
01:28:36,367 --> 01:28:37,900
Together...

1319
01:28:38,300 --> 01:28:39,933
When was this?

1320
01:28:40,867 --> 01:28:42,533
Let's see...

1321
01:28:45,267 --> 01:28:48,633
He was wearing a polo shirt.

1322
01:28:48,933 --> 01:28:51,367
That means it was summer, huh?

1323
01:28:51,367 --> 01:28:52,600
That's right.

1324
01:28:56,167 --> 01:28:57,567
This is big.

1325
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:03,833
It was the summer of 1964.

1326
01:29:04,333 --> 01:29:08,767
She moved in to the apartment
in the summer of 1964.

1327
01:29:10,367 --> 01:29:15,667
She lived there until November 1966.

1328
01:29:17,933 --> 01:29:21,900
She dressed conservatively.

1329
01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:24,600
You last saw him in a polo shirt?

1330
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,533
This sure is something.　-1965...

1331
01:29:27,767 --> 01:29:30,700
They're sisters.

1332
01:29:32,533 --> 01:29:34,767
Was this her?　-I don't think so.

1333
01:29:34,767 --> 01:29:36,333
Never seen her?　-No.

1334
01:29:36,333 --> 01:29:38,400
It wasn't her?　-No. The other one.

1335
01:29:38,667 --> 01:29:41,767
It's unthinkable...

1336
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:46,900
Oshima walking with my sister?

1337
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,567
You're not mistaken?　-No.

1338
01:29:51,733 --> 01:29:53,600
How did they look?

1339
01:29:54,233 --> 01:29:59,267
While walking,
they looked like brother and sister.

1340
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:04,767
I couldn't hear them, but they looked like that.

1341
01:30:04,767 --> 01:30:08,500
For example, the space between them.

1342
01:30:09,300 --> 01:30:10,333
Normal.

1343
01:30:10,867 --> 01:30:12,933
They weren't arm in arm.

1344
01:30:13,267 --> 01:30:16,700
Were they avoiding public attention?

1345
01:30:17,267 --> 01:30:21,800
Rather than that, they seemed serious.

1346
01:30:23,333 --> 01:30:24,733
Serious?　-Yes.

1347
01:30:26,300 --> 01:30:27,833
Were they talking?

1348
01:30:28,767 --> 01:30:30,733
Yes, they were.

1349
01:30:32,500 --> 01:30:36,367
As we passed, they didn't even look at me.

1350
01:30:38,767 --> 01:30:40,567
Even on a narrow path!

1351
01:30:44,867 --> 01:30:50,467
He was murdered. He's dead.

1352
01:30:54,633 --> 01:30:56,500
He was poisoned.

1353
01:30:56,500 --> 01:30:58,800
Poisoned?　-Yes.

1354
01:30:59,900 --> 01:31:04,600
He was poisoned to death. I know about it.

1355
01:31:04,833 --> 01:31:07,567
I saw it.

1356
01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:11,900
Why did her sister kill him?

1357
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,933
I don't know exactly.

1358
01:31:15,233 --> 01:31:19,600
He was engaged to the younger sister, wasn't he?

1359
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:23,633
But it was the older one

1360
01:31:23,633 --> 01:31:27,600
with whom he fell in love.

1361
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,667
That's a fact.

1362
01:31:29,933 --> 01:31:32,333
Why would she kill him then?

1363
01:31:32,767 --> 01:31:37,733
Because she couldn't own him.

1364
01:31:38,467 --> 01:31:43,667
If he'd become hers,

1365
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:50,467
she wouldn't have killed him.

1366
01:31:51,867 --> 01:31:55,233
Because he didn't become hers.

1367
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,633
she killed him.

1368
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:00,933
It's plain fact.

1369
01:32:01,233 --> 01:32:03,900
He's already dead.

1370
01:32:03,900 --> 01:32:09,500
You can't alter
that fact no matter how hard you complain.

1371
01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:10,633
Where was it?

1372
01:32:10,633 --> 01:32:14,467
Where? You people already know!

1373
01:32:15,467 --> 01:32:18,333
We do?　-Like I said.

1374
01:32:18,333 --> 01:32:20,733
Why?　-Why, she asks!

1375
01:32:21,567 --> 01:32:25,367
Your sister knows well.

1376
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,800
Ask her.

1377
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,633
My sister?

1378
01:32:29,900 --> 01:32:30,933
She knows?

1379
01:32:31,233 --> 01:32:35,633
Ask her. She'll tell you.

1380
01:32:47,733 --> 01:32:51,900
I came to ask you to tell the truth.

1381
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,400
About what?

1382
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,200
Tell me...

1383
01:32:59,633 --> 01:33:04,667
Did you often call Oshima at Oka's company?

1384
01:33:05,367 --> 01:33:06,900
Never.

1385
01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:09,767
Not even once?　-Never.

1386
01:33:12,300 --> 01:33:13,500
Why do you ask?

1387
01:33:13,767 --> 01:33:17,333
Did he ever phone you?　-Never.

1388
01:33:19,167 --> 01:33:21,900
Where could he have phoned me from?

1389
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:26,300
Regarding his office in Kanda...

1390
01:33:26,300 --> 01:33:29,767
Did you go there often, Sayoko?

1391
01:33:29,933 --> 01:33:31,667
His office?　-Yes.

1392
01:33:31,667 --> 01:33:34,867
Once in a while, because my shop was nearby.

1393
01:33:34,867 --> 01:33:36,400
After it was closed?

1394
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,900
I didn't go to his office

1395
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,767
until after I got a new job.

1396
01:33:45,333 --> 01:33:50,367
At the office on the mezzanine?

1397
01:33:50,367 --> 01:33:54,333
At the office in the mezzanine? No.

1398
01:33:55,300 --> 01:33:58,300
Oh, you mean my office?

1399
01:33:58,300 --> 01:34:01,567
Did you phone him from your office there?

1400
01:34:01,733 --> 01:34:05,467
Never. I didn't even know his number.

1401
01:34:06,833 --> 01:34:10,900
In those days I didn't know his phone number.

1402
01:34:10,900 --> 01:34:13,933
But the operator said you did.

1403
01:34:14,267 --> 01:34:18,233
I never phoned him. Let me see the operator.

1404
01:34:20,167 --> 01:34:21,800
I never phoned.

1405
01:34:22,700 --> 01:34:25,733
I didn't know his number.

1406
01:34:26,667 --> 01:34:29,467
Plus I had no reason to call him.

1407
01:34:32,233 --> 01:34:36,800
How long have you worked as an operator?

1408
01:34:37,433 --> 01:34:39,867
Since October 1964.

1409
01:34:40,167 --> 01:34:42,933
You were there when Oshima resigned, too?

1410
01:34:42,933 --> 01:34:44,267
Yes, I was.

1411
01:34:46,700 --> 01:34:50,800
Did a woman ever phone him?

1412
01:34:51,333 --> 01:34:52,933
Yes, several times.

1413
01:34:53,267 --> 01:34:55,467
Was her voice like Yoshie's?

1414
01:34:56,567 --> 01:34:57,900
I don't think so.

1415
01:34:58,333 --> 01:35:00,300
Where did she call from?

1416
01:35:00,733 --> 01:35:05,400
She said she was at Fuji Engineering in Kanda.

1417
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,600
Fuji Engineering?

1418
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,567
Do you remember her name?

1419
01:35:13,433 --> 01:35:16,233
Yes. Miss Hayakawa.

1420
01:35:16,767 --> 01:35:21,567
Hayakawa? You were at Kawasaki then.

1421
01:35:21,567 --> 01:35:23,533
Wasn't it from Kawasaki?

1422
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:29,933
It's hard to tell. I thought it was from Kanda.

1423
01:35:30,267 --> 01:35:35,233
About my voice, is it like the woman's?

1424
01:35:35,633 --> 01:35:37,767
Quite different.　-I see.

1425
01:35:39,300 --> 01:35:41,300
Let's listen to the voice again.

1426
01:35:43,433 --> 01:35:45,933
I'll be out tomorrow afternoon.

1427
01:35:46,267 --> 01:35:48,233
And the day after tomorrow?

1428
01:35:48,433 --> 01:35:50,700
I'll be out.

1429
01:35:50,700 --> 01:35:52,300
That day too?

1430
01:35:52,300 --> 01:35:55,767
Yes. I'll be back on Monday.

1431
01:35:55,767 --> 01:35:58,333
Going on a trip?

1432
01:35:58,333 --> 01:35:59,467
How about her?

1433
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,533
Have you heard that voice?

1434
01:36:03,533 --> 01:36:04,633
Yes.

1435
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:06,467
Whose was it?

1436
01:36:06,467 --> 01:36:09,367
The Miss Hayakawa who phoned here.

1437
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:14,600
Do I sound different when I say "Hayakawa"?

1438
01:36:15,333 --> 01:36:16,633
Yes. Completely.

1439
01:36:17,767 --> 01:36:20,600
That's how it was.　-She's wrong.

1440
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,300
I never phoned him.

1441
01:36:23,267 --> 01:36:24,800
I had no reason to.

1442
01:36:25,333 --> 01:36:27,233
I wanted to make sure.

1443
01:36:29,633 --> 01:36:34,233
She couldn't have remembered the voice so easily.

1444
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:40,867
Not unless she heard it often.

1445
01:36:41,567 --> 01:36:45,600
She remembered it because she'd heard it often.

1446
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,833
Was I the only Hayakawa in Kanda?

1447
01:36:47,833 --> 01:36:49,300
Who knows?

1448
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:52,900
I never called once.

1449
01:36:54,767 --> 01:36:56,800
Let's change the subject.

1450
01:36:57,467 --> 01:37:00,933
Why must you suspect me like this?

1451
01:37:01,267 --> 01:37:05,933
Did Oshima come to our apartment during the day,

1452
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:08,867
while I was out?

1453
01:37:09,167 --> 01:37:10,767
Not during the day.

1454
01:37:12,167 --> 01:37:16,633
But he did come once while you were out.

1455
01:37:16,633 --> 01:37:19,500
At night.　-That was the only time.

1456
01:37:20,767 --> 01:37:24,933
And he invited us out to dinner.

1457
01:37:24,933 --> 01:37:30,467
It so happened the boss said to bring Yoshie.

1458
01:37:30,467 --> 01:37:33,500
And Oshima offered to invite me.

1459
01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:37,300
By coincidence on the same day. That's all.

1460
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:39,767
That was at night, too.　-Exactly.

1461
01:37:40,500 --> 01:37:43,500
But someone saw him

1462
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:46,900
leave our apartment
during the day two or three times.

1463
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,300
How do you explain that?

1464
01:37:49,833 --> 01:37:54,767
I never saw him. I was never home daytimes.

1465
01:37:56,333 --> 01:38:00,933
Someone may have seen him come,
but I never saw him.

1466
01:38:02,700 --> 01:38:05,867
Why would he go there...

1467
01:38:08,467 --> 01:38:11,500
knowing that I wasn't home?

1468
01:38:11,500 --> 01:38:15,900
Don't ask me. How should I know?

1469
01:38:16,367 --> 01:38:18,200
I never saw him.

1470
01:38:18,867 --> 01:38:21,467
I don't understand this.

1471
01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:26,467
Why are you talking to me this way?

1472
01:38:28,300 --> 01:38:30,300
Have you seen this man?

1473
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,933
Yes. A few times.

1474
01:38:35,367 --> 01:38:36,700
Did he come here?

1475
01:38:36,700 --> 01:38:37,867
I don't think so.

1476
01:38:38,167 --> 01:38:40,633
Where did you see him?　-In the street.

1477
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:45,800
Near the railway bridge.

1478
01:38:46,567 --> 01:38:49,533
I saw him when I was making a delivery.

1479
01:38:49,533 --> 01:38:52,367
I thought: I've seen him before!

1480
01:38:52,367 --> 01:38:56,233
Then when I went to the Kanayamas' house,

1481
01:38:56,733 --> 01:39:00,900
I saw him come out of that apartment building.

1482
01:39:01,700 --> 01:39:06,533
It looked like he wanted to avoid attention.

1483
01:39:06,533 --> 01:39:09,600
That's why I thought we'd met before.

1484
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,633
What about this woman?

1485
01:39:11,633 --> 01:39:16,333
She often passed by my shop or popped in.

1486
01:39:18,333 --> 01:39:21,300
On her way to the beauty parlor.

1487
01:39:22,267 --> 01:39:24,733
I saw this guy walking with her.

1488
01:39:24,733 --> 01:39:26,833
The two together?　-Yes.

1489
01:39:28,467 --> 01:39:30,900
When was it?

1490
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:34,333
Some time ago. A few years maybe.

1491
01:39:34,333 --> 01:39:39,300
You know the road leading
to the apartment building?

1492
01:39:39,867 --> 01:39:42,933
I was going along that road,

1493
01:39:42,933 --> 01:39:48,633
and about 20 or 30 meters after I turned,

1494
01:39:48,633 --> 01:39:51,533
I ran into them, walking together.

1495
01:39:51,533 --> 01:39:55,533
That was in winter, right?

1496
01:39:57,167 --> 01:39:58,933
What do you think?

1497
01:39:59,267 --> 01:40:01,767
I never did such things.

1498
01:40:02,633 --> 01:40:06,700
But you know that fishmonger, don't you?

1499
01:40:06,700 --> 01:40:07,933
That shop? Yes.

1500
01:40:08,267 --> 01:40:10,433
You often bought fish there.

1501
01:40:10,433 --> 01:40:13,600
He couldn't have been mistaken then.

1502
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:14,933
I cant' remember...

1503
01:40:14,933 --> 01:40:18,600
Were you walking with a young man?　-Never.

1504
01:40:20,433 --> 01:40:24,733
You were with a man who looked just like him.

1505
01:40:24,733 --> 01:40:27,500
I told you, I don't remember.

1506
01:40:29,933 --> 01:40:32,633
If you deny it, it can't be helped.

1507
01:40:32,633 --> 01:40:36,733
But I wonder why

1508
01:40:36,733 --> 01:40:40,400
they all referred to you.

1509
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:41,767
Why's that?

1510
01:40:41,767 --> 01:40:44,467
Ask the workers there.

1511
01:40:44,467 --> 01:40:47,400
They see everyone who comes.

1512
01:40:47,567 --> 01:40:51,733
As for me, I never saw anyone there.

1513
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:56,333
Listen, during warm weather,

1514
01:40:56,333 --> 01:40:59,800
the doors are open, so they see everyone.

1515
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,933
They're like gatekeepers.

1516
01:41:03,267 --> 01:41:06,900
While I lived there, I never met them.

1517
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:08,767
Were you in during the day?

1518
01:41:08,767 --> 01:41:12,567
Once in a while, when I skipped work.

1519
01:41:12,567 --> 01:41:15,533
You wouldn't go out those times.

1520
01:41:15,533 --> 01:41:18,667
Of course I went out.

1521
01:41:18,667 --> 01:41:22,367
When I went to see Oshima's sister with him.

1522
01:41:23,933 --> 01:41:25,733
I never saw him,

1523
01:41:25,733 --> 01:41:30,300
and no young men came to our place.

1524
01:41:30,867 --> 01:41:35,467
Anything could have happened during the day.

1525
01:41:36,633 --> 01:41:40,333
In the daytime my boss would come.

1526
01:41:40,333 --> 01:41:44,933
I never saw Oshima in a polo shirt.

1527
01:41:45,267 --> 01:41:46,933
Me neither.

1528
01:41:47,733 --> 01:41:52,533
Why was he seen leaving our apartment
in the afternoon?

1529
01:41:52,533 --> 01:41:54,567
I don't know. Really.

1530
01:41:54,733 --> 01:41:58,867
They might have made a mistake once.

1531
01:41:58,867 --> 01:42:01,767
But not more than once.

1532
01:42:01,767 --> 01:42:03,900
How does it concern me?

1533
01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:05,933
You're lying.

1534
01:42:06,233 --> 01:42:08,400
I never met him there.

1535
01:42:08,833 --> 01:42:10,933
I'll make it clear.

1536
01:42:10,933 --> 01:42:13,867
That's why I'm here to see you.

1537
01:42:13,867 --> 01:42:18,633
I wanted to make it clear, too.

1538
01:42:18,933 --> 01:42:22,833
I never saw him. Let me see the witnesses.

1539
01:42:23,167 --> 01:42:24,933
Please do.　-I will.

1540
01:42:26,333 --> 01:42:30,333
I wondered if you knew why he disappeared.

1541
01:42:30,333 --> 01:42:33,433
He might've spoken to you.

1542
01:42:33,433 --> 01:42:35,533
He didn't.

1543
01:42:35,533 --> 01:42:38,267
But I wish he had.

1544
01:42:38,933 --> 01:42:42,400
Then I might actually know something.

1545
01:42:42,933 --> 01:42:47,233
Don't suspect people so easily.

1546
01:42:47,533 --> 01:42:50,400
I didn't want to suspect you, but...

1547
01:42:50,700 --> 01:42:53,500
I can't believe you suspect me.

1548
01:42:53,500 --> 01:42:58,367
I don't know why they all lied about me.

1549
01:42:59,300 --> 01:43:01,767
Why not see them?　-I will.

1550
01:43:01,767 --> 01:43:03,900
I want to make it clear.

1551
01:43:04,533 --> 01:43:07,833
I don't want to suspect my sister.

1552
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,933
But they all say they saw you.

1553
01:43:11,233 --> 01:43:14,500
I can't get it out of my mind.

1554
01:43:14,500 --> 01:43:18,833
I don't think I stood out.

1555
01:43:20,567 --> 01:43:22,933
If I'd lived in a showy way,

1556
01:43:23,233 --> 01:43:26,200
they might've noticed me.

1557
01:43:26,767 --> 01:43:30,400
Maybe they're curious about us.

1558
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,733
How embarrassing!

1559
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:38,667
Remember when I went to Kofu?

1560
01:43:39,300 --> 01:43:41,200
Yes, I remember.

1561
01:43:41,367 --> 01:43:44,533
It's bothered me ever since.

1562
01:43:44,533 --> 01:43:49,800
You people often talked about Oshima and me.

1563
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:53,900
I thought it odd, I didn't know what you meant.

1564
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,800
We've hardly talked since.

1565
01:44:06,467 --> 01:44:08,700
Sorry to make you come so late.

1566
01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:11,633
Do you remember him?　-Not at all.

1567
01:44:12,300 --> 01:44:13,567
Do you know me?

1568
01:44:13,567 --> 01:44:16,833
Yes. When I saw your photo.

1569
01:44:16,833 --> 01:44:18,500
What about now?

1570
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,933
I've changed my hair style.

1571
01:44:21,267 --> 01:44:24,167
Yes, but still...

1572
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:26,733
Was it me?

1573
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:29,867
I'm not absolutely sure.

1574
01:44:30,167 --> 01:44:34,933
But I remember you passing in front of my shop.

1575
01:44:35,233 --> 01:44:38,667
How did I look then?

1576
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:43,533
Let's see... When I saw you...

1577
01:44:45,233 --> 01:44:46,900
you had no make-up.

1578
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,333
And your hairdo, from Pearl...

1579
01:44:50,333 --> 01:44:51,533
How was it?

1580
01:44:51,767 --> 01:44:53,433
Beats me.

1581
01:44:53,433 --> 01:44:55,167
Not only my face.

1582
01:44:55,633 --> 01:44:57,667
As I recall,

1583
01:44:57,667 --> 01:45:03,333
you were wearing a cardigan,
or something like that.

1584
01:45:03,533 --> 01:45:05,267
Try to remember clearly.

1585
01:45:05,433 --> 01:45:08,733
I won't complain about it.

1586
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:12,467
I'm telling you the truth.

1587
01:45:12,933 --> 01:45:16,600
I'm not making it up. Really.

1588
01:45:17,300 --> 01:45:21,167
The photo...　-This is the one we showed him.

1589
01:45:23,500 --> 01:45:25,867
When did you take it? The other day?

1590
01:45:26,167 --> 01:45:27,167
Yes.

1591
01:45:27,167 --> 01:45:29,267
I look awful.　-This one, too.

1592
01:45:32,300 --> 01:45:35,500
Do I look like this?　-Pretty much.

1593
01:45:35,767 --> 01:45:38,933
You look very natural.

1594
01:45:38,933 --> 01:45:44,533
When I saw this one, I recognized her.

1595
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:49,933
I never had such a hairdo.

1596
01:45:49,933 --> 01:45:52,633
About that picture...　-With Yoshie.

1597
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,167
Oshima looked good.

1598
01:45:57,467 --> 01:46:01,700
I wouldn't have been ashamed
if they'd seen us together

1599
01:46:01,700 --> 01:46:04,800
and spread rumors.

1600
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,300
We care only about facts.

1601
01:46:08,300 --> 01:46:10,400
Do you know him?

1602
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:11,633
The man?

1603
01:46:11,633 --> 01:46:13,467
Show him his photo.

1604
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:19,667
As I explained the other day, I saw him.

1605
01:46:20,300 --> 01:46:22,467
How many times did you see him?

1606
01:46:22,467 --> 01:46:26,333
Two or three. Maybe more.

1607
01:46:26,333 --> 01:46:29,633
When I first saw him...　-Where was it?

1608
01:46:29,633 --> 01:46:32,900
Do you know the Watabe car shop?

1609
01:46:34,533 --> 01:46:35,933
Near the railway bridge.

1610
01:46:38,567 --> 01:46:41,933
Do you know the Okuma pawnshop?

1611
01:46:42,467 --> 01:46:43,533
No, I don't.

1612
01:46:43,833 --> 01:46:47,667
I first saw him near the pawnshop.

1613
01:46:47,933 --> 01:46:51,333
I saw him and we exchanged glances.

1614
01:46:51,333 --> 01:46:54,167
Then he looked away.

1615
01:46:54,833 --> 01:46:57,700
That's when I thought I'd seen him before.

1616
01:46:57,700 --> 01:47:01,733
My customers will greet me,

1617
01:47:01,733 --> 01:47:04,833
even if I don't remember them.

1618
01:47:04,833 --> 01:47:07,200
I thought it was the case with him.

1619
01:47:07,767 --> 01:47:13,500
I don't think I've met you. I don't remember.

1620
01:47:13,500 --> 01:47:17,867
I regarded you as one of my customers.

1621
01:47:17,867 --> 01:47:22,267
I never forget anyone to do with my work.

1622
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:26,400
This has nothing to do with your work.

1623
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:30,900
We're total strangers...
unless you're very curious.

1624
01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:32,500
And the next time?

1625
01:47:32,500 --> 01:47:34,900
Know the Kanayama residence?

1626
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:41,300
I went to deliver fish there. I pushed the buzzer.

1627
01:47:41,300 --> 01:47:45,533
While waiting,
I saw someone come from the apartment

1628
01:47:45,733 --> 01:47:48,933
and go toward the bridge.

1629
01:47:48,933 --> 01:47:50,867
I remembered from before.

1630
01:47:51,167 --> 01:47:53,267
Not me though. Him, right?

1631
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:55,767
Was it Oshima?

1632
01:47:56,667 --> 01:48:02,767
Why did Oshima go toward the bridge?
He always went the other way.

1633
01:48:02,767 --> 01:48:04,400
And the next time?

1634
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:08,900
I saw him walking with you near your place.

1635
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:11,333
Where, exactly?

1636
01:48:11,333 --> 01:48:15,800
Do you know the Suzutake residence near here?

1637
01:48:16,367 --> 01:48:22,533
I never passed there except
when I went to pay the rent.

1638
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:28,700
I usually took the road under the bridge.

1639
01:48:28,700 --> 01:48:30,867
I always went that way.

1640
01:48:30,867 --> 01:48:33,633
What were they wearing?

1641
01:48:33,633 --> 01:48:38,533
Well, I never saw her in a Kimono.

1642
01:48:38,933 --> 01:48:42,300
I remember she wore a cardigan.

1643
01:48:42,300 --> 01:48:46,267
And the man was wearing...

1644
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,867
something like a polo shirt or sweater.

1645
01:48:50,167 --> 01:48:54,567
If it was a sweater, the sleeves were rolled up.

1646
01:48:54,933 --> 01:48:58,167
I don't think I was there.

1647
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,600
Could you be mistaken?　-No way.

1648
01:49:01,933 --> 01:49:05,367
You wouldn't be wrong?

1649
01:49:05,367 --> 01:49:09,533
Are you sure about him too? Look again.

1650
01:49:09,533 --> 01:49:11,833
The other photo is better.

1651
01:49:11,833 --> 01:49:14,933
Have you ever walked with a man there?

1652
01:49:15,233 --> 01:49:20,200
No. And even if I was with someone,
I wouldn't walk there.

1653
01:49:20,433 --> 01:49:21,933
He says he saw you.

1654
01:49:21,933 --> 01:49:25,867
He says he saw you all of 3 times!

1655
01:49:25,867 --> 01:49:26,900
How strange!

1656
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:30,933
I remember the first 3 times.

1657
01:49:31,233 --> 01:49:33,300
I don't recall the rest.

1658
01:49:33,300 --> 01:49:36,267
Sundays or weekdays?

1659
01:49:36,767 --> 01:49:42,533
I was at work, so weekdays. Few people were out.

1660
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,933
There never are many passers-by.

1661
01:49:48,233 --> 01:49:53,433
I usually deliver fish around there
in the early afternoon.

1662
01:49:53,433 --> 01:49:56,200
From noon?　-Until 2 or 3 PM.

1663
01:49:57,533 --> 01:49:58,933
3 PM at the latest.

1664
01:50:00,700 --> 01:50:03,800
You're sure it was her?　-Certain.

1665
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:06,533
Sure about him?　-Certain.

1666
01:50:06,700 --> 01:50:10,633
Something stuck in my mind at first glance.

1667
01:50:11,333 --> 01:50:13,400
His thick eyebrows?

1668
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:15,467
That's why I recognized him.

1669
01:50:15,467 --> 01:50:19,500
I have thick eyebrows. But his amazed me.

1670
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,167
You're sure it was me? No mistake?

1671
01:50:25,633 --> 01:50:28,767
No mistake. I swear.

1672
01:50:28,767 --> 01:50:31,400
But I don't remember your clothes.

1673
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:33,700
That doesn't matter.

1674
01:50:33,700 --> 01:50:36,900
It's not that I only wear kimonos.

1675
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:38,500
Are you sure?

1676
01:50:38,500 --> 01:50:41,367
Yes. I never walked with him.

1677
01:50:42,500 --> 01:50:43,933
I don't get it.

1678
01:50:45,233 --> 01:50:47,767
This is as strange as that phone call.

1679
01:50:47,767 --> 01:50:51,933
This man isn't here for profit.　-I know that.

1680
01:50:52,233 --> 01:50:57,200
I'm not lying. I don't make up stories.

1681
01:50:57,633 --> 01:51:00,833
I'm here to help you,

1682
01:51:00,833 --> 01:51:03,933
because you're looking for him.

1683
01:51:04,267 --> 01:51:07,500
I told what really happened.

1684
01:51:07,500 --> 01:51:10,533
I always talk straight, you know.

1685
01:51:10,733 --> 01:51:15,267
He's talking about what I never did.

1686
01:51:16,367 --> 01:51:21,567
It's very strange to me
that you say it was Oshima.

1687
01:51:21,933 --> 01:51:26,400
You may all think I'm lying,

1688
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:29,400
but it's very strange.

1689
01:51:30,500 --> 01:51:33,700
You deny it flatly,

1690
01:51:33,700 --> 01:51:38,567
yet the fishmonger says it was you.

1691
01:51:39,533 --> 01:51:41,867
We can't do anything about it.

1692
01:51:42,167 --> 01:51:44,267
No use arguing anymore.

1693
01:51:44,433 --> 01:51:46,200
But I wasn't there.

1694
01:51:48,933 --> 01:51:52,600
He says you were. He's positive.

1695
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:54,533
And I'm positive, too.

1696
01:51:54,533 --> 01:51:57,333
I don't understand this at all.

1697
01:51:57,633 --> 01:52:00,933
I don't think I'm wrong.

1698
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:06,467
The point is, what does it mean?

1699
01:52:06,467 --> 01:52:08,300
I don't know.

1700
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:11,733
I only told you the truth.

1701
01:52:12,267 --> 01:52:14,933
I saw you 3 times.

1702
01:52:15,233 --> 01:52:17,400
I may have seen you more.

1703
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:23,333
But I don't remember well,
as I never expected this.

1704
01:52:24,500 --> 01:52:27,500
I spoke only the truth.

1705
01:52:28,567 --> 01:52:31,700
I told you no lies.

1706
01:52:33,833 --> 01:52:35,400
Mr. Imamura...

1707
01:52:36,900 --> 01:52:38,767
What is truth?

1708
01:52:39,867 --> 01:52:41,833
I don't know myself.

1709
01:52:41,833 --> 01:52:45,833
I'd like to know what truth is.

1710
01:52:46,567 --> 01:52:48,600
But I don't know.

1711
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:51,867
I don't know if Sayoko is lying

1712
01:52:52,167 --> 01:52:56,667
or if the fishmonger is telling the truth.

1713
01:52:56,667 --> 01:52:59,433
Maybe I alone know.

1714
01:52:59,433 --> 01:53:02,333
Maybe you don't, either.

1715
01:53:02,333 --> 01:53:04,833
This is like a mystery novel.

1716
01:53:06,267 --> 01:53:07,700
Strike the set!

1717
01:53:09,500 --> 01:53:12,933
When you think you're telling the truth,

1718
01:53:12,933 --> 01:53:15,567
everything looks real to you.

1719
01:53:15,767 --> 01:53:21,733
I'm not sure, but I think this is one truth.

1720
01:53:22,833 --> 01:53:25,567
For instance, this is a set.

1721
01:53:25,567 --> 01:53:27,933
No ceiling, no roof.

1722
01:53:27,933 --> 01:53:31,833
But we've talked as if in a real room.

1723
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:36,300
You may have felt like it's a real room.

1724
01:53:37,233 --> 01:53:42,533
But actually, it's only a studio set.

1725
01:53:43,333 --> 01:53:46,167
Looks can be deceiving.

1726
01:53:47,167 --> 01:53:48,600
This is fiction.

1727
01:53:49,333 --> 01:53:54,333
This drama developed after Oshima went missing.

1728
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:59,367
It didn't occur spontaneously.

1729
01:53:59,367 --> 01:54:01,933
It evolved as we planned.

1730
01:54:02,867 --> 01:54:04,500
Lights!

1731
01:54:06,700 --> 01:54:09,300
In short, it's only like this.

1732
01:54:09,733 --> 01:54:14,567
The camera is trying
to catch you, and you know it.

1733
01:54:15,700 --> 01:54:19,667
Tomorrow we'll play out another drama here again.

1734
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:23,167
But it's not: what we do tomorrow is a lie,

1735
01:54:23,367 --> 01:54:26,700
and what we do today is true.

1736
01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:28,833
This is fiction, too.

1737
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:32,933
We're shooting a film like this.

1738
01:54:33,233 --> 01:54:36,767
This is a feature film.

1739
01:54:37,867 --> 01:54:39,600
I can't forget it.

1740
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:42,800
It's a drama by which we're trying to learn

1741
01:54:43,733 --> 01:54:49,800
why so many people go missing
in such a small country.

1742
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:54,733
Anyway, it's a drama, and it's fiction.

1743
01:54:54,733 --> 01:54:57,567
I'd like you to remember that.

1744
01:55:01,633 --> 01:55:06,600
Over 91,000 persons
were reported missing last year.

1745
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:11,367
This year the number is increasing.

1746
01:55:11,567 --> 01:55:14,333
I asked you to come

1747
01:55:14,333 --> 01:55:18,667
because I wanted to learn the truth.

1748
01:55:18,867 --> 01:55:23,867
This is Mr. Asanami,
who lived in the same building.

1749
01:55:25,767 --> 01:55:31,700
Mr. Asanami, will you tell us what you remember?

1750
01:55:31,700 --> 01:55:34,633
Sis, you know him, don't you?

1751
01:55:36,233 --> 01:55:37,867
I'm not sure.

1752
01:55:37,867 --> 01:55:40,300
Do you know her?

1753
01:55:40,300 --> 01:55:41,233
Yes.

1754
01:55:41,233 --> 01:55:42,833
What about you?

1755
01:55:42,833 --> 01:55:44,900
It's been so long.

1756
01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:48,500
I'm not sure if I remember you.

1757
01:55:54,767 --> 01:55:56,567
Will you tell us?

1758
01:55:56,567 --> 01:56:00,867
Excuse me. I'll play the man in question.

1759
01:56:01,167 --> 01:56:02,867
Did he enter?

1760
01:56:03,667 --> 01:56:04,733
From here?

1761
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:06,867
Did he enter first?

1762
01:56:11,333 --> 01:56:12,900
Through that door.

1763
01:56:13,933 --> 01:56:15,800
You were inside?

1764
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:19,500
This was open, right?

1765
01:56:22,933 --> 01:56:25,333
I'll close this door.

1766
01:56:32,667 --> 01:56:35,600
Shall I go up?　-Yes. Keep climbing.

1767
01:56:37,467 --> 01:56:39,267
I need one more person.

1768
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:42,733
Will someone else go up?

1769
01:56:43,433 --> 01:56:45,233
Someone, go up.

1770
01:56:52,367 --> 01:56:54,767
I saw her passing here.

1771
01:56:54,767 --> 01:56:56,667
I spoke to her.

1772
01:57:02,567 --> 01:57:07,400
I said hello and asked who it was.

1773
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:09,400
Then what I told you happened.

1774
01:57:09,567 --> 01:57:11,300
You asked who it was?

1775
01:57:11,300 --> 01:57:15,300
Yes. She said he was her brother.

1776
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:21,700
I lived here. Who'd have asked who I was?

1777
01:57:21,700 --> 01:57:26,900
I asked about the man who went up first.

1778
01:57:27,467 --> 01:57:29,833
You asked Sayoko

1779
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:34,267
who the man was, is that it?

1780
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:38,733
Yes. I'm trying to remember, because you asked.

1781
01:57:38,733 --> 01:57:42,333
I don't think it really happened.

1782
01:57:42,333 --> 01:57:44,633
That you really met me?

1783
01:57:44,633 --> 01:57:49,167
No, I'm merely saying,

1784
01:57:49,667 --> 01:57:54,433
if I were with him, you wouldn't have asked.

1785
01:57:54,633 --> 01:57:57,633
I'm sure.　-You really saw?

1786
01:57:57,633 --> 01:58:01,333
I say you're wrong.　-You deny it?

1787
01:58:01,533 --> 01:58:03,433
Ask other neighbors.

1788
01:58:03,433 --> 01:58:06,933
Was he really Tadashi Oshima?

1789
01:58:07,267 --> 01:58:09,400
I'm almost certain.

1790
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:12,900
But I can't swear to it.

1791
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:18,700
Two years ago, I wasn't interested in them.

1792
01:58:18,700 --> 01:58:21,533
How old did he look?

1793
01:58:22,333 --> 01:58:24,433
He looked young.

1794
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:29,333
Sayoko, you said he didn't come.

1795
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:33,900
No one else came, either.

1796
01:58:33,900 --> 01:58:39,467
But the fishmonger said he saw you two.

1797
01:58:39,467 --> 01:58:41,633
I can't help but believe him.

1798
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:45,633
Aren't you a bit too subjective?

1799
01:58:45,633 --> 01:58:50,933
How could he remember what happened 2 years ago?

1800
01:58:51,333 --> 01:58:55,600
It's in the past, and his memory is fading.

1801
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:58,867
Yes. They didn't catch my attention then.

1802
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:02,833
Suddenly you showed me his photo.

1803
01:59:02,833 --> 01:59:05,933
Then I remembered him.

1804
01:59:06,833 --> 01:59:08,933
Are you sure you saw them?

1805
01:59:09,233 --> 01:59:10,867
Yes, I'm sure.

1806
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:13,633
You're positive it was me?

1807
01:59:13,633 --> 01:59:16,433
Not 100%.　-Make your mind up.

1808
01:59:17,700 --> 01:59:19,800
Before you said you were sure.

1809
01:59:20,933 --> 01:59:26,933
You said he couldn't remember,
he couldn't be positive.

1810
01:59:27,233 --> 01:59:29,333
Right.　-Sayoko is no different.

1811
01:59:29,733 --> 01:59:33,733
Sayoko denies it, but it can be true, too.

1812
01:59:33,733 --> 01:59:37,567
If the story involved close people,

1813
01:59:37,567 --> 01:59:40,467
he'd remember who passed by.

1814
01:59:40,467 --> 01:59:46,833
If the ones he saw were his brothers
or his sisters,

1815
01:59:46,833 --> 01:59:52,567
he'd remember them even after 2 years.

1816
01:59:52,567 --> 01:59:55,933
But if they were merely passers-by,

1817
01:59:56,233 --> 02:00:00,167
I doubt he could remember well.

1818
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,533
Didn't you two walk there?

1819
02:00:03,533 --> 02:00:07,500
I never walked with Oshima.

1820
02:00:07,500 --> 02:00:10,200
Not with any young man?

1821
02:00:15,267 --> 02:00:17,933
A man in a polo shirt.　-Absolutely not.

1822
02:00:18,233 --> 02:00:22,933
I couldn't have mistaken you for someone else.

1823
02:00:23,267 --> 02:00:25,200
I'm sure about it.

1824
02:00:26,900 --> 02:00:28,433
What do you say?

1825
02:00:28,633 --> 02:00:31,933
It's so sudden I can't answer.

1826
02:00:32,267 --> 02:00:34,900
I never expected this.

1827
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:39,667
Even I don't know what's what.

1828
02:00:39,667 --> 02:00:45,933
Do you think it's possible
I walked with Tadashi Oshima?

1829
02:00:46,267 --> 02:00:51,833
What's wrong with walking
with your future brother-in-law?

1830
02:00:51,833 --> 02:00:55,367
I'm not blaming you for that.

1831
02:00:55,367 --> 02:00:59,600
Just admit the fact that you walked with him.

1832
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:01,933
If you were, there's nothing wrong.

1833
02:01:04,333 --> 02:01:07,267
But I didn't.

1834
02:01:07,933 --> 02:01:10,767
What's your opinion?

1835
02:01:10,767 --> 02:01:13,800
I think it's an endless argument.

1836
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:16,933
If she remembers, she should go ahead

1837
02:01:17,300 --> 02:01:18,933
and say so.

1838
02:01:18,933 --> 02:01:22,800
But if she doesn't we can't blame her.

1839
02:01:23,500 --> 02:01:27,600
As I said, I saw them a few times.

1840
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:32,233
I remember it was her. That's why I'm sure.

1841
02:01:34,333 --> 02:01:37,433
Then what she says doesn't matter?

1842
02:01:37,433 --> 02:01:40,933
Suppose he really saw her.

1843
02:01:40,933 --> 02:01:45,900
I think if she were coming out of a motel,

1844
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:47,667
she'd want to hide it.

1845
02:01:47,667 --> 02:01:50,867
But she was only walking on the street.

1846
02:01:51,867 --> 02:01:53,700
What's more,

1847
02:01:53,700 --> 02:01:58,933
if Sayoko were walking
with her future brother-in-law,

1848
02:01:58,933 --> 02:02:03,400
I wonder why she must deny the fact.

1849
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:08,300
Yes. I want to know why she must hide it.

1850
02:02:08,467 --> 02:02:13,633
I doubt that he remembers correctly.

1851
02:02:13,633 --> 02:02:17,333
Were they walking arm in arm,

1852
02:02:17,333 --> 02:02:21,367
or was it just side by side?

1853
02:02:21,367 --> 02:02:23,200
Can he remember?

1854
02:02:23,567 --> 02:02:26,933
There's nothing wrong with just walking.

1855
02:02:26,933 --> 02:02:32,700
She may have happened to walk beside a stranger.

1856
02:02:32,700 --> 02:02:36,433
And it looked like they were together.

1857
02:02:36,633 --> 02:02:40,467
I asked her about that. She flatly denied it.

1858
02:02:40,467 --> 02:02:42,600
She may be right.

1859
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:45,733
Then why does he say he saw her?

1860
02:02:47,233 --> 02:02:51,467
I didn't come here just to lie.

1861
02:02:51,467 --> 02:02:54,333
What's the point in him lying?

1862
02:02:54,533 --> 02:02:58,633
It sounds like you believe only him.

1863
02:02:58,633 --> 02:03:00,867
Yes, I believe him.　-Why?

1864
02:03:01,167 --> 02:03:02,733
Well...

1865
02:03:03,733 --> 02:03:06,667
I trust Kakutaro too.

1866
02:03:06,667 --> 02:03:09,567
Why must you believe them?

1867
02:03:09,567 --> 02:03:12,333
I don't understand you, Yoshie.

1868
02:03:12,333 --> 02:03:15,567
So you don't believe me?　-No, I don't.

1869
02:03:15,567 --> 02:03:17,567
She just doesn't remember.

1870
02:03:17,567 --> 02:03:21,700
He isn't here for profit, remember that.

1871
02:03:21,700 --> 02:03:24,733
What's his name? Oshima?

1872
02:03:24,900 --> 02:03:26,933
Why say these things?

1873
02:03:27,500 --> 02:03:28,633
Who, me?

1874
02:03:28,633 --> 02:03:32,767
Yes. Why must you say you saw me with Oshima?

1875
02:03:32,767 --> 02:03:33,933
I'm not lying!

1876
02:03:34,267 --> 02:03:36,933
No one is here for profit.

1877
02:03:36,933 --> 02:03:40,500
Lying would bring me no advantage, you know.

1878
02:03:40,500 --> 02:03:44,600
Why is it that when I deny walking with him,

1879
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:47,933
you don't even have the slightest doubt?

1880
02:03:48,333 --> 02:03:50,833
You keep insisting you're certain.

1881
02:03:50,833 --> 02:03:54,733
Because I really saw you.　-But I'm denying it.

1882
02:03:55,300 --> 02:03:58,400
Why would I deliberately lie?

1883
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:02,933
You keep insisting it's true. It's driving me mad.

1884
02:04:02,933 --> 02:04:05,833
I saw you with him. I did!

1885
02:04:05,833 --> 02:04:07,733
You're a liar.

1886
02:04:07,733 --> 02:04:10,500
I'm sure of it.

1887
02:04:10,500 --> 02:04:12,300
Because it's you.

1888
02:04:12,300 --> 02:04:16,367
This is something very serious for me.

1889
02:04:16,367 --> 02:04:18,900
For him too.

1890
02:04:18,900 --> 02:04:23,733
What's the sense in me leaving my shop
to be here then?

1891
02:04:23,733 --> 02:04:29,367
How can you be so sure, when I wasn't there?

1892
02:04:29,367 --> 02:04:31,867
You may have been.

1893
02:04:31,867 --> 02:04:34,167
There's nothing wrong in it.

1894
02:04:34,667 --> 02:04:37,367
I know. But I wasn't walking with him.

1895
02:04:37,367 --> 02:04:41,567
She clearly stated she wasn't.

1896
02:04:41,567 --> 02:04:45,700
We mustn't force her to say she was.

1897
02:04:45,700 --> 02:04:47,900
I'm not forcing her.

1898
02:04:48,200 --> 02:04:51,933
Whatever he says, it's all right.

1899
02:04:52,233 --> 02:04:56,867
He may be wrong. It happened 2 years ago.

1900
02:04:57,267 --> 02:04:59,700
But I wasn't there!

1901
02:04:59,700 --> 02:05:00,933
An endless argument.

1902
02:05:01,267 --> 02:05:04,900
And it's wrong to discuss it here.

1903
02:05:05,367 --> 02:05:06,900
I'm tired of this!

1904
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:10,467
I suggest we end it here.

1905
02:05:10,467 --> 02:05:15,800
I'd like your opinions about missing person.

1906
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:20,367
That's the real point of this film.

1907
02:05:20,367 --> 02:05:21,933
I never expected this.

1908
02:05:22,233 --> 02:05:24,933
Don't be so mad.

1909
02:05:25,533 --> 02:05:31,333
We'd like to focus on Tadashi Oshima.

1910
02:05:31,333 --> 02:05:36,467
We'll question each of you separately.

1911
02:05:36,767 --> 02:05:39,267
Please answer frankly.

1912
02:05:39,567 --> 02:05:45,367
This film is fiction, not a case record.

1913
02:05:45,367 --> 02:05:46,500
Remember that.

1914
02:05:46,700 --> 02:05:49,867
Are we wasting time?　-I feel so.

1915
02:05:50,167 --> 02:05:52,567
You're just being a typical producer:

1916
02:05:52,933 --> 02:05:54,300
Tenacious.

1917
02:05:54,300 --> 02:05:56,533
I'll say no more.

1918
02:05:57,767 --> 02:06:01,900
I never felt like this before. I was stupid.

1919
02:06:02,200 --> 02:06:06,933
Maybe I shouldn't have said I saw them.

1920
02:06:07,400 --> 02:06:11,700
I suspect that she did something wrong

1921
02:06:11,700 --> 02:06:13,700
and that's why she's lying.

1922
02:06:13,700 --> 02:06:15,733
That's life.

1923
02:06:15,733 --> 02:06:19,300
We just have to adjust to it.

1924
02:06:21,567 --> 02:06:25,300
Sayoko, why do you think Oshima disappeared?

1925
02:06:25,300 --> 02:06:26,300
I don't know.

1926
02:06:30,867 --> 02:06:35,367
Though he's my brother, I still don't know.

1927
02:06:35,367 --> 02:06:37,833
Why did he vanish?

1928
02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:40,833
What do you think?

1929
02:06:40,833 --> 02:06:43,667
After hearing this argument? I don't know.

1930
02:06:43,833 --> 02:06:49,833
This "truth" is beyond me.

1931
02:06:51,167 --> 02:06:57,400
You keep asking questions based on sheer bias.

1932
02:06:57,933 --> 02:06:59,600
I hate that.

1933
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:02,333
You believe only them. It's odd.

1934
02:07:02,533 --> 02:07:07,567
It makes me mad. I did nothing wrong.

1935
02:07:07,567 --> 02:07:10,833
But they say I even lived with him.

1936
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:14,400
As I told you,

1937
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:18,900
my brother may be the only person who knows.

1938
02:07:19,700 --> 02:07:22,367
Do you believe in God?

1939
02:07:22,367 --> 02:07:24,633
Sure. Absolutely.

1940
02:07:26,367 --> 02:07:30,567
I definitely believe in luck, too.
-And its adverse effects?

1941
02:07:30,567 --> 02:07:34,833
I have no idea about this Oshima.

1942
02:07:35,367 --> 02:07:39,667
Trace back the story? I didn't plan it.

1943
02:07:40,167 --> 02:07:44,800
Maybe "believe in God" is the wrong term.

1944
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:48,467
But everyone respects God.

1945
02:07:48,767 --> 02:07:50,833
Is it over?　-Yes.

1946
02:07:53,767 --> 02:07:55,833
I want to go home and work.

1947
02:07:56,200 --> 02:07:58,333
I cooperated with you,

1948
02:07:59,200 --> 02:08:01,200
and I've been driven mad.

1949
02:08:01,700 --> 02:08:04,200
I'll go home and work.

1950
02:08:05,300 --> 02:08:10,233
They're sisters. They'll probably change.

1951
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:15,333
I feel like everything's empty.

1952
02:08:16,933 --> 02:08:20,800
I don't know what I've suffered for.

1953
02:08:22,533 --> 02:08:24,600
I don't believe anything.

1954
02:08:26,233 --> 02:08:28,467
Shall we send him home?

1955
02:08:29,700 --> 02:08:32,333
Do you still suspect your sister?

1956
02:08:32,533 --> 02:08:33,700
Yes.

1957
02:08:34,533 --> 02:08:37,167
You may suspect her forever.　-Yes.

1958
02:08:40,267 --> 02:08:42,867
Maybe I should believe her.

1959
02:08:46,533 --> 02:08:49,500
And it's hard for me not to believe her.

1960
02:08:49,500 --> 02:08:52,333
I wish she were a total stranger.

1961
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:55,900
Is it over? Are you leaving?

1962
02:08:56,200 --> 02:08:58,400
Yes, it's over.

1963
02:09:04,933 --> 02:09:06,467
It's over, isn't it?

1964
02:09:08,633 --> 02:09:10,700
Yes. Time's up.

1965
02:09:11,867 --> 02:09:13,467
The film is over,

1966
02:09:14,167 --> 02:09:15,867
but not the reality.

1967
02:09:16,700 --> 02:09:18,600
What'll you do after this?

1968
02:09:20,467 --> 02:09:21,700
I don't know.

1969
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:26,600
(THE END)